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SpicyBoi
(162 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)You know Hillary is a grass roots organizer. You know she's a lifelong volunteer for democratic causes. You know she's had to deal with sexism her entire political life.
Democrats find ways to bond, not nitpick and divide.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Hillary bashers, Sen Sanders supporters and Russian trolls - they ALL say the same things!
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)Hillary bashers? Yes. Russian trolls? Of course. But Sanders supporters? Only some; only those who didn't vote for Hillary in the 2016 GE. And that wasn't most of them.
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pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Anyone who reaches a position of power in the establishment is part of the establishment.
SpicyBoi
(162 posts)That's why he never affiliated
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Susan Collins and Angus King, Independents, are still part of the establishment.
Same with Bernie. Anyone who has been in politics virtually his entire adult life, and is a sitting Senator, is part of the establishment, whether he likes it or not.
AND there's nothing wrong with being part of the established government of the U.S., as long as you reached your position democratically, as Bernie and Hillary did (unlike those who colluded with the Russians.)
SpicyBoi
(162 posts)We need to find a new leader
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)President Obama's administration was an example of what we can accomplish through our established, democratic process -- though it could have achieved more if Republicans hadn't decided at the outset of his administration to oppose everything he did.
What we DON'T need is any "new leader" coming to office through collision with the Russians or any other outside force.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Strange.
SpicyBoi
(162 posts)Strange.
ffr
(22,670 posts)in one year, so that we can all be enlightened.
SpicyBoi
(162 posts)All we got is a hope that Trump gets impeached by his own party at the moment. That's not much power. Hillary was the face of the Democrats last election.
2018 we might get some seats back, but not if people don't trust us enough to donate.
ffr
(22,670 posts)...relating to Bill Clinton's service as President of the United States and how you felt his actions "ran the party into the ground."
Prosperity
* Longest economic expansion in American history
* The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
* More than 22 million new jobs
* More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
* Highest homeownership in American history
* A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
* Lowest unemployment in 30 years
* Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
* Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
* Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
* Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
* President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
* Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
* President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
* Lowest crime rate in 26 years
* Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
* 100,000 more police for our streets
* As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
* Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
* Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
* Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
* To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
* Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
* The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
* Higher incomes at all levels
* After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
* Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
* Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
* Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
* In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
* Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
* The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
* Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
* Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
* Protected millions of acres of American land
* President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
* Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
* Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
* Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
* Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
* Lowest government spending in three decades
* Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
* Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
* President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
* More families own stock than ever before
* The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
* Most diverse cabinet in American history
* The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.
Or how the Clinton Foundation ran the party into the ground...
Since 2005, according to CGI, it has spawned initiatives that:
* Raised $313 million for R&D into new vaccines and medicines;
* Helped provide better maternal and child survival care to more than 110 million people, and;
* Provided treatment for more than 36 million people with tropical diseases.
Private firms are also in the mix. Biotech giant Gilead (GILD, -1.53%) and the NAACP joined forces to recruit religious leaders in the African American community to help fight HIV/AIDS, which disproportionately affects blacks in the U.S. Medical tech company Becton Dickinson bd , which ranked among the 50 companies in Fortunes Change the World list this year, has committed to dramatically cutting the price of CD4 immune cell tests for HIV-positive people across 55 countries.
And in 2015, the American Society for Clinical Pathology (ASCP) and a host of other partners pledged to build up a world-class cancer diagnostic and treatment system in sub-Saharan Africa and Haiti, including boosting telemedicine and cloud-based electronic health records systems. The project is currently ongoing.
The Foundation says that another one of its arms, a collaboration with the American Heart Association (AHA) called the Alliance for a Healthier Generation, has helped provide access to healthier meals across more than 31,000 American schools and boosted physical education, the availability of nutritious meals, and extracurricular exercise in poor communities with high obesity rates.
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Attacking those accomplishments that bettered Americans and peoples worldwide really would have been your best chance at calling the Clintons out for running the party down.
Would that be along the lines of what you're referring to in your original post?
Now that's a rip-roaring comeback!
Thanks for sending me a Clinton Foundation PR document
ffr
(22,670 posts)part of the establishment and/or have hurt the party, as your title suggests?
Emojis won't save you.
Elaborate on what you have said and stick to the subject that you brought up. Who knows, you may have a point that we all can learn from. So far though, it isn't looking like you know what you are talking about.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)but someone has gone out of their way to convince tons of people that it is.
Do we have a problem with our government? You bet your ass we do but this establishment we call our government has, for the most part, done fairly well by us.
Its this anti-establishment bullshit that gave us tRump. Its the anti-establishment bullshit that gave us the tea party and todays GOP where compromise has become a dirty word on both sides.
Who has a vested interest in shaking up the establishment? IMO, its people, by and large, that want our country to fail.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)Pretty much every story about the "Dems eating their own" winds up in one of hist Tweets. Wonder why . . .
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ffr
(22,670 posts)Find ways to get the other side to nitpick instead of all the ways we bond.
Fuck the KGOP.
Girard442
(6,075 posts)Mom wasn't talking about social media back then, but the words apply. We all have a duty to do our due diligence and make a serious effort to vet information before we pass it along and call out people who strew any dreck they find that reinforces their point of view.
Citizens who fail their duty as citizens are setting themselves up to be subjects.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)dropped this morning...
I was mostly trying to make a point that bombshells, true or not, serve to sow discord among those on the left.
I haven't read Donna Brazile's book, but the "bombshell" is basically an article writer's synopsis of someone else's book. This article writer has his/her own biases and motives and may actually be intentionally misleading.
I'm pointing this out because many people can't tell the difference commentary/opinion/propaganda and FACTS!
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Actually, we've always lived in that time. But it's become even more important now, when information flies fast, and cold hard facts are fully fungible with total fabricated bullshit. Every single day, we watch or hear someone do something, and then only hours later, we are told that what we just saw or heard never happened. You and I may laugh at these blatant lies, if you've been paying attention. But, unfortunately, many people can't or don't pay attention to that. We are all too busy.
This is all part of a propaganda strategy called gaslighting. it's designed to keep us off our toes and questioning and unsure and insecure and not focused on what we really need to focus on.
I will tell you what I'm focused on, like a laser beam: We have an incompetent, evil, greedy, moronic man occupying the White House, who literally has the power to destroy the world. We have a leadership of Congress who will support him through thick and thin. We have an upper 1% of wealth holders who want us ALL to die and go away. They are the people I'm mad at. Not someone who supported Bernie Sanders in the last election.
B2G
(9,766 posts)lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)against the canard of "but what about family farms"
I started wondering who I was debating.