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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat did Russia get out of all this??
They were offering tons of cash, apparently, thru various deals. Werent Manafort and Kushner in debt and in need of cash/loans?
They were offering dirt on Hillary, too, obviously.
But what were they getting in return?
Loosened sanctions? Cant believe thats all it was.
What was the offer in return?
*Thats* the big question and I bet Mueller knows.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)so Manafort could run the unwitting agents all over the White House. DT, Jared, Flynn, one or more generals, Communications, policy, etc.
Manafort would have been the ideal person, from campaign manager to Chief of Staff.
WinstonSmith00
(228 posts)That wont challenge their role on the world stage.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,166 posts)The arctic drilling with Exxon hasn't gone forward and the whole world is now on to their tactics. Putin mist have known going in to this that it would be an all or nothing deal.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)Look it up. They're doing it all over the world to elevate Russia again.
They've perfected the art of getting your enemies to destroy themselves from within, while you just sit back and watch. The US was always the prime target, and they've succeeded spectacularly.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)realignment of World Alliances and the USA being the odd man out.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They are stepping in where we are leaving a void on the world stage. That is the biggest part for them.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)we are the Ugly Kid on the Block at this time. Know one trusts us,and trust makes the World go around. China is now the most trusted,and they are a Communist Run Society,who would have thought. Call it ugly History lessons forgotten,still remember as a Kid,the fear of Hitler and his Ilk taking over the World as the number one leader. Now we have the Chinese Red Army doing it by Osmosis.
Thanks to Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell as well as Paul Ryan .
Plus Putin seemed to have a grudge against the Obama Admin and the Clinton State Department. This was all good for him. Take the US down several pegs, put a stooge he thought he could control in the White House, and payback against players he felt had interfered in his affairs/elections in the past.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)which would result in a weaker and less stable America/NATO/European Union on the world stage...
2. The ability to DIRECTLY influence White House policy for the next four years, at least...
3. Lifting of economic sanctions, which has a double effect after they kneecapped the TPP through their partner Wikileaks...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Increased power across the globe as we shrink from our responsibilities.
Sanctions that aren't enforced.
Those items are huge. Specially the increased power aspect.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Why Does the Kremlin Care So Much About the Magnitsky Act?
What Russian officials mean when they talk about adoptions
Maxim Shemetov / Reuters
JULIA IOFFE JUL 27, 2017
What made Russian officialdom so mad about the Magnitsky Act is that it was the first time that there was some kind of roadblock to getting stolen money to safety. In Russia, after all, officers and bureaucrats could steal it again, the same way they had stolen it in the first place: a raid, an extortion racket, a crooked court case with forged documentsthe possibilities are endless. Protecting the money meant getting it out of Russia. But what happens if you get it out of Russia and its frozen by Western authorities? Whats the point of stealing all that money if you cant enjoy the Miami condo it bought you? Whats the point if you cant use it to travel to the Côte dAzur in luxury?
Worse, it looked for a while like the Europeans were going to pass a similar lawbecause Russians stash far more money in Europe than in the United States. And then 2014 hit. Putin invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, and the United States and European Union teamed up to slap sanctions of some of Putins closest lieutenants, freezing their assets and keeping them away from their beloved seaside villas and city condos. In a rare public interview, the banker and close Putin friend Gennady Timchenko, complained of his life under Western sanctions. Now, I basically cant leave the country, he told the TASS state news agency. My family is spending the summer in the south of France, where we traditionally spend every summer, and I am cut off from all of it. From my family, from my beloved dog, a labrador. (The labrador, Romy, is the daughter of Connie, Putins dog whom he has used to scare German Chancellor Angela Merkel.) Now, with the sanctions, Timchenko, a French and Russian citizen, cant visit Romy, who lives in Switzerland with his son.
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In all of the drama over the Russian interference in Americas 2016 election, its easy to forget just how corrupt Russia is, and how much corruption and money flows still determine the official course of action. The Magnitsky Act so angered the Russians because it targeted what really mattered to them; it went after Russian elites raison dêtre. Its why Senator John McCain called it a pro-Russia law, and many in the Russian opposition agreed: it went after not the Russian people, but the elites who stole from them with brazen impunity. The law hit the mark so precisely and painfully that the elite lashed out fiercely enough to do what neither the Magnitsky Act nor the 2014 sanctions did: They targeted their own, most vulnerable citizensas if they havent stolen from them enough.
Russia Uses Its Oil Giant, Rosneft, as a Foreign Policy Tool
By CLIFFORD KRAUSS OCT. 29, 2017
Rosneft is trying to create opportunities that can be extremely valuable in geopolitical ways, said Amy Myers Jaffe, an energy security expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. They really give the Russian government unbelievable leverage on questions of importance to the United States.
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Rosneft, which is 50 percent owned by the Russian state, is led by Igor I. Sechin, a former deputy prime minister and a close Putin ally. After the Russian invasion of Crimea three years ago, the United States and Europe hit Mr. Sechin with sanctions.
Since then, Exxon Mobil and other Western oil companies have been prevented from using their technological expertise to help Rosneft develop deepwater, shale and Arctic oil and gas fields. That has forced Rosneft to go far and wide to find new oil fields to replace its reserves.
Rosnefts biggest bet so far is Venezuela. Over the past three years, Russia and Rosneft have provided Caracas with $10 billion in financial assistance, helping Venezuela stave off default at least twice under the weight of as much as $150 billion in debt.
Roland99
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Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)I have no doubt that they fooled around with Brexit too. A weak EU and US is a dream come true for Putin.
The one thing he probably didn't bank on was Trump's actually winning. I'm thinking he just want to cause damage to an HRC presidency.
What goes around, comes around, and you have the two stooges: (a) Trump, the most incompetent leader imaginable and who is so dumb, he doesn't know how to hide criminality (in fact, I don't think he knows what criminality (or ethics) actually is) and (b) Putin, probably the biggest thug in the world.
These two disgusting people deserve each other, and they are now getting the fate they should get: a) Trump will hopefully be impeached and b) Putin is saddled with this buffoon.
B2G
(9,766 posts)looks like they achieved it in stellar fashion.
Which explains why they wanted Trump in office. Not for the reasons I read here all the time.
None of this would be happening if Clinton had won. Which makes me ask. Since we agree there was Russian interference in the election, would there be an investigation underway right now if she was President?
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Sowing seeds of chaos which weakens the Western alliances is always good for putin.
Anything else is just icing on the shit cake.