It's red meat to the media, and distracts from mundane stuff like Republican failures.

Oh -- and it distracts and causes strife among DUers and other Dems, too.

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You tell 'em...

hold for powerful women and the lengths they will go to to bring them down.

You can't tell me that Russia/republicans are not behind this shit, desperate to defeat us in 2018.

The attacks on the democratic party are accelerating now it seems. They must divide and conquer us us before the next elections.

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are both such rousing successes. So it's time to knock her down again, I guess.

this is a good time to distract from the Russia investigation while it is yielding results.

It is a shame we have to see it displayed so gleefully at the DEMOCRATIC underground.

Hillary would be making us proud right now if so many had not been hoodwinked (such a lack of critical thinking skills)

And then, times ANOTHER 1,000,000,000.

Misogyny is a significant reason some on the left hate her, not to mention some of the left’s susceptibility to lies spewed by the right.

He is still all over the talk shows.

he keeps poisoning the Democratic well.

Democratic Party, he never joined in the first place. He made it clear that he was not a Democrat, he would not join the Democratic Party now, or in the future. He was open and honest that he was only running in the Democratic Primaries so that the national media would not ignore him, like they ignore most third party candidates.

won't join it to change it within.

Yeah, Hillary is the problem.

the Republicans would have destroyed him, because I am pretty sure they had plenty in their arsenal (dreaded "Commie" threat still plays for many "deplorables," despite the Trump/Russia fest). I doubt he'd have garnered as many (useless) popular votes as Hillary. BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary, but now have second thoughts. It made no difference in my state, anyway.

Absolutely correct

We "support" you and your issues and possibly your candidacy but when a man come along, you need to step aside.

I have never seen someone treated so badly as HRC.
Hillary owed jackshit to some newcomer to the party.
I would prefer we do as the Europeans do and have the real party members decide the candidates as opposed to having some free for all where anyone can swing the result.

No more open primaries where anyone off the street can come in and ask for a Democratic ballot. Let them register well ahead of time, months ahead of time, as Democrats. And no more un-democratic caucuses. Those should have gone out with the horse and buggy.

We do have a better system than the repiggies, in that we have super delegates. We need to keep them. People who have shown loyalty to the party, who are elected officials and people who have worked hard for the Democratic party are super delegates. They have earned those spots as super delegates. Look at how all the berniebros whined about super delegates who supported Hillary, until they thought they could turn them to support BS, either through intimidation or a rules change.

Its not just Hillary who owes jackshit to some newcomer. The rest of us owe him nothing as well.

Revolution? There is no revolution. There was an election theft, engineered by a foreign adversary and a corrupt republican party. The theft was gleefully abetted by a lot of naive followers of a nonmember of our party.

We do need to move on. But we need to make changes that will strengthen our primary process and help us to choose the best qualified DEMOCRATS.

n/t

solely on principle, not gender.

+ ANOTHER 1,000,000,000,000.

Especially the Sea lioning

Maybe they will loosen the chains a bit?

Thats about all we can hope for if this suicidal civil war on the left continues through 2018.

Gandhi and Bhutto were assassinated, Hillary got more hate tossed at her than there is tea in China. Angela Merkel was the darling of the German press until shortly before her re-election, and now she is suddenly "alt und verbraucht (old and used up)."

It seems an awful lot of people are scared of capable women. As a male of the species married to a very capable woman and the parent of two more, I swear I can't for the life of me understand why.

What has happened to the GOP that it is entirely fueled by hate for all democrats. I'm giving my Trump voting relatives What Happened for Christmas. I'd like for them to see her as a human being.

k/r

We are a year away from what seems to be a dwindling number to chances to put a brake on the insanity. A little more focus on, "what do we do in 2018" would be a welcome replacement for 2016 threads.

Not all, of course. American does have half of all the metamillionaires and billionaires on the planet, after all. Some of them are terribly offended by our notion that we should rule them and are busy working to change that.

to have run for office. Hillary would have been the greatest President this country has ever seen. Makes me sick to think about our great loss.

ranged against him and the party in general, including most media. But competence and being on the side of our constitutional structure won through.

I believe history in hindsight will reveal the true incompetence of the extremists who took over the GOP in pursuit of hegemony over the entire nation. Extremists have ruthlessness in plenty, but extremism is intrinsically dysfunctional. Just for one, they believe their own lies, and that's a huge weakness.

And like you I'm sick for our great loss. Hillary would have built and built good on what we started. When Rep. Henrietta Wilson said, “I said — I'm a school principal — and I said, excuse my French, 'Aw, hell no, we're going to get this done," I thought of Hillary. It may sound sexist, but just like a really good woman school principal, she'd get things done. No nonsense.

people gonna be fucking dicks. They can't help themselves.

I want more indictments for the Trump criminal gang, and for the Dems to get ready for upcoming elections.

By the number of people I've spoken with who said they wouldn't consider voting for Hillary because she didn't leave her husband after the Lewinsky affair! What in the hell kind of reasoning is that? Would they hold male politicians to that standard? Still, we need to keep in mind that she won the popular vote bigly and came within a hair's breath of the electoral vote so all is not lost!

They would call a man who didn't leave his cheating wife a kuk, and refuse to vote for such a man.

with their husbands.the only reichwing woman I know who didn't was old mark "hiking the appalachian trail" sanford's wife.

NONE of those excuses make any sense to me. Not a single one.

There's such a detestable double standard at work here.

Ironic that the election of the first black man to the Oval Office - I THOUGHT and genuinely believed - proved that America had finally turned the damn page. And had finally grown up. And had finally gotten over that stupid damnable Neanderthal race thing. And that we finally were entering a truly "post-racial" era.

OY was I ever wrong. All that did was to rip the scab off the wound and bring racism roaring back stronger than ever.

And then, when a woman actually won a major party's nomination for the highest office in the land, I was hopeful again. That we had FINALLY turned THAT damn page. And had finally grown up. And had finally gotten over that stupid damnable Neanderthal sexism thing. And that we finally were entering a truly "post-sexism" era, and broken through that last glass ceiling of misogyny.

OY was I ever wrong. Again.

I still start getting teary-eyed when I think of the text I sent to my daughter the night before the election - how this was going to be MONUMENTAL for women all over the world - that the most powerful leader on the planet was going to be a WOMAN, and what kinds of eyes, and doors, and new eras were about to open up - for her and for all her girlfriends and female relatives and colleagues, and THEIR daughters. I was so looking forward to standing on the verge of an EPIC new era of true equality and true respect and opportunity and REAL, across-the-board equal status for women.

OY was I ever wrong. It just hurt. Worse than childbirth. And that hurt a LOT. Physically anyway. It just hurt. STILL hurts. All I can think of now is - Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, what my generation has left hers with... shards and splinters and wreckage and broken hopes and dashed dreams. Dreams of my own, frankly. Because I do not know how we lift ourselves out of this. The most magnificent, capable, brilliant, and ground-breaking two candidates in a row - Barack Obama and then Hillary Clinton. And they both got shit - by the boatload. And sadly, if it hadn't been stolen from her (because I STILL consider her the true winner last November, by some three-million votes), she would be the subject of NON-STOP PERSECUTION now, the likes of which we've NEVER seen. The list of "impeachable" "offenses" the CONS would have, pardon the pun, trumped up against her would stretch from here to Alpha Centauri.

...a heavy heart, mourning what should have been. She has all the necessary skills and talents the office of POTUS needs.

I am right there with you.

It started with Limbullocks and lasted for 25 years.
Hill was not perfect in the way she handled criticism, but she would have been a very good President (better on policy than Bill)and I voted for her without hesitation. frankly, outside of President Obama, I don’t think any politician would have been able to stand up to the non stop hatred she received.
I don’t think people understand the nonstop stream of crap she endured for decades. The Clintons were the first through this unprecedented media and billionaire driven hate fest, there was no play book for it. She ran at a time the quarter century of hate against her was at high tide and that hate was financed by an enemy country. And she STILL won the popular vote.

I want to move on from this and kick the crap out of the GOP in every election in the country. The bill for GOP investment in Clinton hate is coming due in 2018. They literally have no ideas except 40 year old tax policy bullshit and an unending supply of cruelty. Without a Clinton to hate, there is no message or idea in the GOP and that is why they cling SO desperately to the hate, even when she has been out of power and not running for election.

all dems have to do to destroy the r-cons is stop ignoring it
without that invisible talk radio advantage they have nothiong.

they must be starved for attention there. Trickle, trickle here they come...

All other candidates, Republican and Democratic alike, avoided this Steve King District. No one wants to spend money where its a done deal... BUT, in the name of Party Building, HRC sent a very competent political organizer here who kept volunteers busy in my county. We were knocking doors and making GOTV phone calls and we were able to update the VAN (voter access network) with our iPhones as we went along. Not since Howard Dean have we seen such a great party building effort in my neck of the woods.

Then, come Primary night, out of the woodwork come all the Bernicrats who demanded they be the ones elected to go to County and State Conventions. None of them volunteered for GOTV efforts or local Democratic meetings. Fund raising efforts were totally off of their radar. I am still resentful and only with time will this rift with Bernie Bots heal.

I'm sick of it too.

He said on Facebook corruption of the DNC will be impossible to overcome with any Clinton attached to it. He believes both Trump and Hillary should be in prison.

He is a die-hard Bernie backer who wants to take over the Democratic Party. If not, he'll go elsewhere. I can't seem to make any headway with him. He thinks I'm blind to her "crimes".

drinking vodka in his moscow cyber factory cubical.

I find that many men who claim socialism immediately start the Gish Gallop when you mention Hillary....

It joins the major effort by Murdoch and other corrupt right-wing media to draw attention away from the Russia investigation and from the GOP's desperate efforts to serve their dark-money funders by betraying us all through their tax bill.

Everyone else is reporting stuff and making waves and all, maybe she wanted to be part of the action.

I don't know, that thought just popped into my head. I haven't been following this, so....it's just an idea.

about what she knew and what she herself participated in. I didn't pay particular attention to her either, aside from frustrated disgust at her unethical behavior related to the debate questions, but she's exposing herself now.

An Atlantic article points out that Sanders complained, officially and to the press, long before Brazile claims to have called him in tears with the bad news that Hillary's fundraising was (propping up the party according to The Atlantic) giving her control of the party (so she could steal his election from him, according to him).

Well, we have her number now. There are those who try to influence the electorate by educating them and those who try to influence through deception. As for why she did it, we know Brazile's unethical behavior damaged her badly with the party. Now she's officially thrown in with a hostile faction, much of it non-Democratic, that we know has been imagining it can take our party over for a good 100 years now.

Clearly, this opening pop means she intends to trash the party for her chosen candidate through 2018 and 2020. Hopefully, she'll finish self destructing before then, but in any case the candidate I'm thinking of has very little tolerance for anyone, and I don't see her impressing.

Speaking of, this whole shabby business reminds me of Tulsi Gabbard, someone else who soiled her nest and then got precious few photo ops with the outsider candidate she hoped to ride back into power. Just checked, and yes, "the Democrat Republicans love" (WaPo) is still propped up by Sheldon Adelson, and Republican voters. Still badmouthing Democrats also of course.

Whatever. I'm sick of dishonorable people, and the more they cluster in one place the better. She and Brazile can battle it out for who gets to trail after whoever becomes the next candidate to try to set people like me aside. Somehow, I don't see them getting along.

You neglected to tell us what dirt you have on Elizabeth Warren. Right: Hillary is the anti-Christ and Gabbard is pure evil. Brazile is also a nasty piece of work. You don't need to support any of these women, but don't be so obviously a misogynist troll. Or is Putin signing your paychecks?

voters by educating them. She's a policy wonk who's never happier than when she's supposedly boring on an on about enlarging seaports or meeting the needs of those caring for their elders.

MY kind of candidate.

Elizabeth Warren is also for different reasons. She's a doer, not an unprincipled, dishonest egotist.

And no one should be imagining that any of those others, named and unnamed, would be fit to even do Hill and Elizabeth's data entry, which at this point they would definitely not be trusted anywhere near. They've burned their bridges with the real Democratic base -- people like me -- and good riddance.

I realize you were replying to Blanche S, who was referring to Brazile, I just wasn't reading in any defense of Hillary.

also. I'm sorry also. This all made me very angry. Dishonorable people who don't belong in politics can not only get away with but be admired for lies and betrayal as long as they're against the era's designated witch.

One of the talking heads on PBS last night referred to Brazile's article as a "cri de coeur." Poor self-disgraced person, who called emailing the Clinton campaign to offer primary debate questions a "mistake."

You had the misfortune of drawing the attention of this cranky retired English teacher (and my second comma should have been a semicolon).

Still angry tho.

but if liberals are going to be respected we should not take the name that is sacred to many of us in vain.

I added about 5 to my ignore list today.

2018 elections are one year away,
and the pot keeps getting stirred here to distract us.

Why?

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Don't know how to look at it any other way.

Today the haters seem to be out in force including here on DU. You would think if HRC could move forward after having the fucking presidency stolen from her, the haters here could also find a new hobby too. It's stupid, petty and I'm over it.

don't read. Both bashing of Hillary and Bernie is non-productive. As in trumpets there are those who will never stop bashing Hillary and those who will never get over Bernie losing. I supported Bernie and when he lost I was disappointed but strongly supported Hillary . The damn election I'd over and if we ever want to win one again we better get our heads out of our asses.

I have also about had enough. It's almost as though there aren't more important things happening right now. The collusion investigation is heating up. Women are losing reproductive freedom. Blacks are on their way to being seated at the back of the bus again. Dominionists are taking over and Jesus schools are just around the corner. I don't fucking get it. We are lied to on a daily basis and some folks can't think of anything better to do than smear the woman who would have won if not for voter suppression and foreign interference.

Maybe it's the death rattle of the patriarchy.

Maybe if Bernie committed to being a DEMOCRAT, the DNC might have looked at it differently.

She was great on The Daily Show last night.

...and the primary was rigged are not mutually exclusive.

But since you're sooooooo upset, I guess we should all just take our differing opinions and go home so you can be comfortable.

100% of our energy should be focused at destroying the fascist party.

I don't understand why she's subjected to such visceral vile hatred. She sure as hell doesn't deserve it.

I think right-wingers hate any smart successful woman who doesn't agree with them, they view her as a threat.

But Donna? It reminds me of a piece I read about how some women have a tendency to stab other women in the back, instead of support them for the greater good of their gender. I don't understand that thinking.

gotten into DU???

How about ignoring them? If there is no reaction to them, no reply, they will go away.

So Hillary agreed to refill to coffers of the DNC while everyone thought the primary would be relatively uncontested on the Democratic side? Nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately for both Hillary and the DNC, Bernie decided it was a great time to put what he had been working for all of his political career on the national stage. Honestly he probably started off just wanting to get some influence on the party platform. Bernie kind of came out of nowhere, especially to those that never listen to Thom Hartman or lived in Vermont. His populist message supporting the working class resonated with lots of voters.

The DNC fucked up. Debbie Wasserman was obviously biased to those paying attention. She and the DNC were pro Hillary all the way. It was irritating. Bernie actually may have benefitted a bit from anti-DNC backlash in the primaries. I voted for Bernie in the primary, but was happy to vote for Hillary in the election.

I was never angry at Hillary, and no Democrat should be. I gained so much respect for her during the campaign.

Please.

Those assholes on both sides already got what they wanted.

should be our focus right now.

who wanted to help our country. I'm heartsick.

People just need to leave her alone.

I'm with you - to work together and win elections.

Not divided!

Does it require a new outburst thread every time someone says or thinks something that angers you?

And continues to be?

Pretending that the level of hate directed toward her is legitimate is part of the gaslighting that we can’t stand.

Especially when she got 65 million votes.

admired women IN THE WORLD, and has been for many years. of course, the rest of the world has been spared the attack dogs of the reichwing media for the last 30 years.

Was a well oiled work of art perpetuated on this country long ago.
It became a cottage industry and so many weak minded people bought into it. Sad 😞.

...and she WON the General election by 3 mil votes. NO learning curve for her...no outlandish promises...just good plain old fashioned hard work in the face of EVERY adversity that was thrown in front of her. She prevailed! But America lost because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a *gasp* woman.

as an aside....

I just watched an old Father knows Best from 1960. Betty Anderson just graduated from college and shes up against a man for a job. The boss hires the man because 'its not financially feasible to hire a pretty woman because they just get married'. Betty didn't object.. she just look defeated. She got another job modeling a wedding gown. THATS gonna pad her resume...sure betcha!

Women put up with that shit then.. they just accepted it. Not a whole lot has changed.

Guess I don't actually see hatred of Hillary here at DU. Concerns about the party, its practices, leadership and past; yes. But hatred of/for Hillary?

She's a leader, dammit! She was supposed to be leading the party. Ddon't fault her for that. It smacks of a little cat fight going on between super-inflated egos.