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As a Belgian, I've lived in Tennessee for over a year, worked with a lot of american companies and friends. What startles me again and again is the fact that the two leading american parties, when comparing their programs to the belgian ones, are both to the far right. The democrats are slightly on or to the right of our nva partie, the gop is slightly left to vlaams belang, our racist right partie. In belgium, everybody pays 13℅ of their income to healthcare. But when we get sick, we pay almost nothing back. When we lose our job, we are taking care of and are paid the minimum wage. Brave little belgium and proud of it!
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)many models in Europe that we could copy, as well as Canada.
But, well, you know, we can't be like them "furiners and their soshulism!"
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unblock
(52,309 posts)political discussions in europe are largely about actual policy. of course there's party and personalities there as well but you can have good honest discussions with random people about the substance of governance.
here, it's gone completely tribal. if they're on the right, they just shout buzzwords and look for a response to see if you're in the blue tribe or the red tribe and if you're in the other tribe, it's just a shouting match of more buzzwords and parroted talking points.
their definition of "socialism" is basically anything democrats proposal, any tax increase no matter how tiny, or any government spending program that doesn't involve imprisoning, deporting, or killing people. and of course, labeling something as socialism instantly ends the debate and they declare victory.
it's impossible to have a discussion with these people on the merits. might as well just watch foxnews and bash your head against a wall.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)into thinking that healthcare, education, retirement is a privilege, not a right.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Yes, most have national healthcare, but they pay higher taxes.
For years, more Americans owned their own homes while most Europeans had to rent. Whether this is still true, I don't know...I know gasoline is very expensive in the UK.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)And curtail my driving.
But seeing a doctor when I am sick, having a retirement I can live on,
and the college education of my children, are all more important to me.
AND living in a safe country where mentally ill people cannot buy machine guns.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)we all have our own priorities -- What is "important" to you may not be the same for everyone.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)And seeing a doctor so they could live, and not living in the street when they are old. And their children having a better life.
People who chose driving over these things are foolish.
But that is what the American people have done.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)and if that's the case, they should be pursuing that goal...Thanks for sharing.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)were it not so tragic, is the piss poor response shown by Belgium to the horrific Paris terror attacks committed by their citizens. They were tipped off numerous times, but were so unconcerned, their cops refused to pursue leads past 9:00 at night.