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Most shoppers crouched behind checkout counters or bolted toward the back exit. But as a gunman fired inside a Wal-Mart store in a Denver suburb, some patrons took a more defensive approach: They grabbed their own guns.
They were the proverbial "good guys with guns" that gun rights advocates say have the power to stop mass shootings.
But police in Thornton, Colo., said that in this case the well-intentioned gun carriers set the stage for chaos, stalling efforts to capture the suspect in the Wednesday night shooting that killed three people.
None of the armed civilians fired their weapons, and the suspect managed to flee the store.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/are-more-guns-helpful-in-wal-mart-shooting-armed-shoppers-hinder-police-investigation/ar-AAuq0qT?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=edgsp
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Hunters, and others who want or need them, should be allowed to freely have them. However, you don't take your guns to town. Everyone who owns a gun should register it, just like a car.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)Here's a great quote:
"Bystanders shouldn't pull their weapons unless they're members of law enforcement, or used to be, she said, because without training they can't properly assess the situation and could end up causing more deaths."
Right!
You hear gunshots - who's doing it? Maybe 1 person.
5 other shoppers (OK, let's say NRA shoppers!) pull their weapons and start into their "DEFENSE/POLICE RAID" mode.
NOW, who are you looking for?
Somebody wearing a mask? A black hat? A "foreign-looking" outfit?
Truly - where's the sanity in all of this?
sarisataka
(18,755 posts)If an armed person is former law enforcement?
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)ANYTHING!!!!!!
Damned if I want to be there while all of the "armed citizens" are making their decisions!
sarisataka
(18,755 posts)I could see a current law enforcement officer may have a badge that they would somehow be able to display but a former law enforcement would have no such identification and not appear different from any other person.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)And that's my point!
Are all of the "good guys" wearing white hats & badges?
We don't know!!!!
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)scarier than a shopper that has a Gun in his Waistband that drops out and hits the floor. The sight and sound will never go away. Been there and done that. Watched the snub nosed 38 spin like a top.
Iggo
(47,564 posts)I guess that's one way to put it.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,363 posts)Did the armed patrons hinder the police? Or, did their existence cause the shooter to turn and run instead of shooting more people? I understand that the more patrons who drew their guns, the more paperwork the officers have to fill out. Is this a measure of the goodness or badness of patrons with guns?
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)adds more confusion to a situation that requires a split-second response.
And I don't want to be there with people that have never been trained for such a situation!
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,363 posts)I wouldn't know a shopper with a gun from a plain-clothes cop with a gun. I think I'd probably dive for cover, make myself small and invisible.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)There's NO way to tell under such conditions, requiring split-second decisions - who's the "good guys" and who's the "enemy!"
Duck, hide, get small, and pray!!