I have a number of family members who live just a few miles from Sutherland Springs. I spent this afternoon on the phone tracking them down, making sure they were safe. Make a fucking joke out of that.

Nobody is saying the nonsense you suggested other than you.

even if shown not to be, we eat our own.

I told my mom was I becoming 'immune to this'. I'm just over it.

Two choices -

Get numb or get dirty.

I'm sharing this on FB.

And incisive. It makes the point. Powerfully.

That'll certainly get you somewhere....

The important thing is you realized the futility of rational thought and thoughtful debate in order to take full advantage of the dirt. I can only hope it suits you as well as you hope.

By Lisa Marie Segarra
June 8, 2017

A woman who claimed the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax was sentenced to five months in prison after she pleaded guilty to threatening a 6-year-old victim’s father ...

Richards is part of a group of people who believe the Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax used to push support for gun control ...

http://time.com/4810828/sandy-hook-shooting-lucy-richards-threats/

Without identifying themselves as sarcastic or fake or a joke. It's getting irritating. I guess they have nothing of value to say.

Not funny

Less than a hundred recs. 2%

I'm not sure, since I'm not a English native speaker and sometimes I miss subtleties.

I did not feel the argument was a joke but as a sarcastic / ironic / cynical plea.

I liked it really.

I also felt a plea from someone who is tired to repeat again and again the same things and being fed up and decided to say it in another way.

I'm not sure I'm very clear and understandable. I can explain better in French if you understand it.

as well as three of her children among the victims.

Super funny OP there. Not.

This is not the time to make funny memes. Whole families and children have been deeply affected by such a horrible act.

Spare me the jokes.

happens. I say, Oh, too bad, and then change the channel.
Burn out. It happened last week. It will happen next week. Nothing will change.
/shrug

Yes... just because it happens more and more it dosen't excuse anyone making light or fun of the situation.

Later there weren't press stories like that anymore

I've always wondered if the media just decided "worst environmental accident in history" was just a dog-bites-man story

In the last few weeks, we've had the worst and the fifth-worst mass shootings in US history

Yes, I'll worry "worst shooting" could rapidly become another dog-bites-man story

I fully sympathize with your worry today. My own sister-in-law and her family live in Windcrest subdivision of SA. Her and her family do attend services ever Sunday as well. For about 20 min before we got further details of where it happened, and the church it happened at my husband, mother-in-law and I were in a frantic panic to get in touch with them as well.

This is NOT making light of this mass murder. It is an attack on the way it is already starting to be politicized, not unlike the same mold we just saw only a month ago in Las Vegas.

This is stemming from the extreme frustration that these people will likely get no justice from the REAL perpetrators of this heinous crime.. the political party that encourages and enables ownership of these types of weapons, the powerful lobbying organization that keeps enabling these crimes, and the gun adoring public that keeps both of them going.

I am totally with you in your anger and outrage, but how about directing at those who are really culpable in putting that fear into you in the first place today instead of someone using political satire to attack those same groups in which we have common cause?

Texas politicians are on the front lines of fighting sensible gun control laws. I don't find that amusing. People are being blown away all over the country and there's not a single peep beyond "thoughts and prayers" out of Texas from a major political figure elected in that State to stop it.

Texas politicians are on the front lines of fighting climate science. I don't find that amusing. No one on this planet alive today will ever see carbon dioxide levels below 400 ppm again, and there's not a single peep out of a major elected figure in Texas who gives a rat's ass.

Texas politicians were on the front lines of trying to block aid to my state, New Jersey, when Hurricane Sandy struck.

No, it's not one goddamned bit funny; you're right. It wasn't funny at Sandy Hook; it wasn't funny in Las Vegas; it wasn't funny in South Carolina, it wasn't funny at Virginia Tech, it wasn't funny at the Pulse Club in Orlando.

It wasn't funny at Columbine.

It's never funny.

But it is absurd; and a lot of the most absurd shit comes right out of Texas, where they voted for a guy who wants to build a wall and restore the Confederacy.

If we don't laugh about a lot of the shit that comes out of Texas politics; we'd have to spend day and night weeping, and we're really running out of tears to shed at the horror of the rapid moral, intellectual and political decline of our country, unsurprisingly led by the former States of the Confederacy.

I assume your friends and family survived and were uninjured. That makes you lucky.

There have been hundreds of Americans who've not been as lucky as you.

Even that 18 month-old Texan? On account of the bone-headed political stances of right-wing Texas politicians over the years? Or because trump carried Texas?

No sweat; I expected the usual self-righteous Texas-bashing on a thread like this one. Nonetheless, I find your comments to be contemptuous.

That was the point, but you seem to have missed it with an extreme interpretation.

That's not surprising really.

There are a lot of people - and yes, many of them seem to live in Texas if you must know - who take the extreme position, at least I find it extreme - that their putative "right" to own guns takes precedence over the rights of other people to live.

The Governor of Texas announced that maybe people should bring guns to church. Wonderful, just wonderful.

You know, it's not really all that surprising. Texas, as I recall, seceded from the United States based on the "right" of some people to "own" other peoople and treat them like farm animals. Many people there seem not to have gotten over the loss of this "right."

I'm glad we restricted that "right" by reconquering the State, but there's definitely a part of me that regards the entire state as another country, and not the one in which I would choose to live.

Rather than getting pissed off at my general opinion of Texas, certainly not a positive opinion, you could direct your anger at the people in Texas who value guns more than people, but maybe that would be difficult, I don't know.

Have a nice day.

And profound thanks for electing not to live in Texas. Now, if you'll just give me an indication that you've read this, I'll take care of a minor problem we both seem to be experiencing. Regards.

different opinions of what is and is not brain dead.

I would be interested in your opinion in the case where you showed as much interest in the dead 18 month old as in the ersatz honor of Texas.

I suggest we each exercise our right to the DU ignore key.

You are absolutely correct !!! Nothing remotely funny about it.Dude spoofing a tragedy is sick humor at best..

by random gun violence. None of us will ever be the same again. We have lived through the platitudes and self righteousness till we’re sick to death. This OP is right on.

Yes it is.

It was meant to cause one's eyes to roll because he was in a fucking church. Some of us scream, all of us talk to our useless congresscritters and some do biting satire to point out the absolute stupidity of our lack of gun laws. I think the vast majority of us here want to scream until we can't scream anymore.

I do hope that all of your family is safe. Sincerely. And I'm so sorry that you had to spend your afternoon on such a terrifying task.

and dozens injured just hours ago, and you're making jokes about it.

No thank you.

to show off.

Smh.

Makes me sad.

... After the Vegas shooting, Republicans turned aside pleas for action as premature. Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the second-ranking member of the Senate, said "politicizing this tragedy is beyond disgusting" ... And the Trump administration is considering shifting oversight of gun exports from the State Department to the Commerce Department, treating guns more like commodities and less like weapons ...
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2017/11/05/texas-church-rampage-thoughts-prayers-leave-gun-control-side-frustrated

No, now is not the time!

Hmm . . . must have blinked and missed it.

People have been murdered and their families and friends stricken with terrible grief. Parodying a tragedy, mere hours after it occurred, lacks compassion.

say those who enable psychopathic killers

It is the tragedy of the sick right wing fuckers.

have a reformed Jewish, more modern version of religious practices. It should play on their words NRA, thus RNRA, so it doesn't ring the standard fear bells that hunters can't hunt. This approach defeats the argument that we are coming to take their guns away. I don't own a gun, and personally wish they were illegal, but we have to start sensibly to convince reasonable people, as we live in an extreme gun culture. Some people are more passionate about defending their gun rights (doubtful whether the founders meant this, but the courts and legislators have made it so), than their religion or families.

The purpose is to advocate modeling the RNRA loosely after the DMV & eventually set up agencies to enforce regulations and laws that we hope to pass. Hopefully, it can be enforced federally. We will advocate for the following:

1. All guns possessed, gun transfers or purchases of any kind must be registered. Give an initial 6 mo registration period for guns already owned or possessed, plus a reasonable extention, and high fines for failure to registure. Eventually, failure to register means forfeiting the gun and paying the fees. 2. Gun owners must show proof of insurance (in case owner's gun causes an accident and insurers will want to know guns work properly, as well as owners ).
3. To be Licensed to own a gun or guns (background checked, pass a basic written and operational test, CPR, health or mental health certification from a doctor). Hunters, people who need an appropriate gun for self defense of their home, as long as it is properly secured from children, should have no problem, except the intial registrations and licenses.

All assault weapons, semi automatic and automatic weapons must be limited to the military, police and such.
Strict fines will be imposed for violation. Eventually, upon long violations, jail can be imposed similar to persons who repeatedly refuse to pay child support. Exceptions may be applied for.

There will be a waiting period to get any gun from 15 to 30 days.

Hunters and rifle ranges may loan guns to licensed persons, as long as the persons remain on the premises and are loosely supervised.

There will be ongoing government buy back programs, which will pay about double what the guns are worth.

Some gum enhancers and silencers will be considered under the gun regulation too.

Concealed carry is dead. There will be places you cannot take guns: places that designate no guns allowed; schools and universities; sports games; political rallies; churches; movies; concerts; some government buildings; parks and more. Schools and such will have on premises persons to protect them with appropriate security, as well as camera systems & lockdown proceedures. All places can, and in some cases must, hire security and law enforcement for events for events.

There are many more details to be described or TBD.

BTW, I do respect the earlier post from a DUer with family in the area, but I've never seen him post pro-gun junk here after a shooting.

It's a fabricated cheap shot. Link to any post of mine where I've shown a love of guns, or even indicated that I own any.

will respond to this horrific tragedy and truly evil event.

It's called black humor. And it is 100% spot fucking on.

I mean, come ON!

but to use it to show how ridiculous the general excuses from the gun-lovers are when it comes to gun violence.

This ad encapsulates everything heard on wingnut media -- everything twisted 180 degrees to raise fear-mongering to fever pitch.

We need the Fairness Doctrine reinstated IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

Yeah, same vile asshole:
https://thinkprogress.org/dana-loesch-women-demanding-a70b522c4877/

I didn't take it as humor either.

A fake post meant to be sarcastic identifies itself as such.

A lot of these joke/fake posts going around lately.

Did you really need it to be identified as sarcasm?

I guess you did.

I think it was perfectly timed and on point.

And no. It was not funny because it wasn't meant to be. It expresses the horror of the situation.

Promoting kooky or fake theories....it's a reality-based forum.

By BEN STRAUSS and DEREK ROBERTSON
October 02, 2017

... The far-right blog Gateway Pundit—which was controversially bestowed with press credentials by the White House in February—published a story in the early hours of Monday morning misidentifying the <Vegas> shooter as .. an apparent Democrat who "liked" .. liberal Facebook pages ...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-fake-news-guns-215670

It is tough to believe people are so quick to fail to recognize that.

But more a commentary on the ridiculous and obscene talking points we will be hearing spun from certain "news" media outlets and pundits.

After every horrific tragic shooting - out comes the comments how people NEED guns (of all types of course) to hunt, for self-defense, or false flags as an excuse taking away guns.

This was awful - no one is making light of the grief and loss of life (imo) - and yet once again, thoughts and prayers will go out but nothing will change

as they do with regularity these days.

Do I think it is funny? Nope.
But it is fucking true.

.... how I read it.

well done

or making fun. We sometimes need mordant sarcasm and humor to cope with the overwhelming mess we seem to have created.

Colbert does this every night. You know he is scared to death, as are most of us.

Look on the bright side: This was not a terrorist act. The guy is white. The guy has an Irish name.

On edit: I guess I need this: I am stunned that I actually needed to add this, but I do.

Wow.

You missed the whole point of the post.

The responses on this thread caused me to do that.

Apologies.

Now I’m trashing this thread. Can’t believe what I’m reading.

and the excuse that we need to be as nasty as Republicans doesn't fly. You can join them in the shit if you wish but just know everyone who goes there will end up looking and smelling the same.

such as your characterization of them as "white wing racists and haters, not many real Christians"

and child ... Kelley was .. released from the military with a bad conduct discharge in 2014. In August of the same year, he was charged with a misdemeanor count of mistreatment, neglect or cruelty to animals ... The case was eventually dismissed, although the details and circumstances surrounding the charge weren’t immediately clear ... Doug, who lives across the street and declined to give his last name, said ... he regularly heard gunshots coming from the property ... Mark Moravitz, who lives across the street from the Kelley family, also said he frequently heard gunfire coming from the property, often around 10 or 11 p.m. ...

Who is Devin Patrick Kelley
By Eli Rosenberg, Derek Hawkins and Julie Tate
November 6 at 11:46 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/who-is-devin-patrick-kelley-gunman-who-officials-say-killed-churchgoers-in-sutherland-springs/?utm_term=.208effe21d9e

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might be a Texican hero

If you're going to post a joke post or a sarcastic post, IDENTIFY IT CLEARLY AS SUCH. There is even a "sarcastic" smilie for that purpose.

Don't be so attention hungry that you require people to read your post to figure out that it's fake. I've seen where some who read it in a hurry don't realize it's fake. If you post a fake post, please identify it as a fake post.

The intent of the OP was clear within the first words and shouldn't need any explanation. A sarcastic smilie would have been very grating -- it's intended for jokes and this was much too angry and biting to be classed with an emoticon.

is because you want to fool people into reading it and rec'ing it. Attention seeking.

This post was so freakin obvious a sarcasm thingy would have been insulting.

ThE fact that some people like hte poster so give him a pass is beside the point. If it's so obvious, why not flag it?

Because .....it is........ OBVIOUS.

I think it's a lot in the vein of Mark Twain. And you are right, usung logic on crazy people will never work.

for those who support guns, no matter how many innocent people are hurt.

There are those who need guns no matter what, those who oppose them, and those who haven't followed the issue closely enough to be fed up with gun-fanciers. I'm assuming you are in the latter group, or you wouldn't need the sarcasm thingie.

identify it as fake. These types of posts are becoming more common. For attention I guess.

When Dylan Roof killed those churchfolk, NRA gun supporters tried to blame the churchfolk for not arming themselves.

The NRA gun supporters were not trying to use sarcasm.

BY DAN FRIEDMAN
CAMERON JOSEPH
CORKY SIEMASZKO
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Saturday, June 20, 2015, 6:48 AM

... Charles Cotton said the slaughter was the fault of Clementa Pinckney, the murdered pastor of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church who also was a South Carolina state senator.

"Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead," Cotton declared. "Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."

Cotton, who sits on the board of the National Rifle Association, wrote on an online forum for Texas gun advocates that Pinckney had "voted against concealed-carry" ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nra-officals-blames-pastor-charleston-church-shooting-article-1.2263911

Yes, I'm talkin' to you VIRGINIA FOXX. Have you ever listened to the putrid shit that comes out of her mouth? And there are others like Loonie Gohmert and his GOP ilk.
Yes your post was raw and insensitive but really, how long are we going to 'keep our powder dry' and continue to send 'thoughts and prayers' and then forget about this shooting and just wait for the next one.

. . . deer season, he was chasing a trophy buck that just happened to run past the church as he took his shot. Then took another shot and another and another and . . .

Might I add that prayer solves everything.

End of story.

Next!

Next gun-made tragedy, that is. 😡