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It's funny how some Christians elected a president who lies, steals, commits adultery,... (Original Post) iluvtennis Nov 2017 OP
Remember, "he" talks like me. democratisphere Nov 2017 #1
I know plenty of Christians who voted against him. DoctorPepper Nov 2017 #2
I don't hear too many Christians calling them out, as Christians. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #3
Thank you! grossproffit Nov 2017 #5
Umm....it's not EVERY Christian. It's only the hypocrites who voted for Trump C Moon Nov 2017 #6
Christians like me.... MFM008 Nov 2017 #7
I agree. I'm a Baptist and sure as heck didn't vote for this unqualified and unfit asswipe. iluvtennis Nov 2017 #35
Trump voting figures: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #10
they can research and generate polls all thry want onetexan Nov 2017 #11
Wow. Thanks for this post. Eye opening. nt iluvtennis Nov 2017 #38
The OP amends the tweet from "Christians" to "Some Christians." DoctorPepper Nov 2017 #41
And the tweet does not say "all Christians" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #43
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #4
That's a good one! KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #8
they are white supremacists who hid behind christianity but revealed themselves with their support JI7 Nov 2017 #9
Not Really modrepub Nov 2017 #12
"Judeo-Christian" Kleveland Nov 2017 #29
81% Evangelicals, about 60% white Catholics voted for T bobbieinok Nov 2017 #13
The final numbers say Hillary won the Catholic vote Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #20
What bilgrimage posted bobbieinok Nov 2017 #32
and shows no outward signs he even believes in God mgardener Nov 2017 #14
That lack of outward belief is his lone redeeming quality...literally the only thing. Moostache Nov 2017 #31
I agree. No way someone with no empathy or compassion believes in a higher being. iluvtennis Nov 2017 #39
Christian Right thbobby Nov 2017 #15
The perfect disguise for demons is as a person that vigorously claim to be of faith. Blue_true Nov 2017 #33
Not funny... sick. defacto7 Nov 2017 #16
Christians can come up with all kinds of reasons to vote for Trump. Willie Pep Nov 2017 #17
I don't think any Christians voted for him. Sunlei Nov 2017 #18
It's not weird at all jmowreader Nov 2017 #19
Amen brother HAB911 Nov 2017 #24
Thanks for this post. You remind me of my sister-in-law (daughter of a pastor) who can cite iluvtennis Nov 2017 #40
Explained in three words Ohiya Nov 2017 #21
All traded the USSC for their souls HAB911 Nov 2017 #25
He's very experienced with the concept of sin. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2017 #22
He is one of them C_U_L8R Nov 2017 #23
It's not a "Christian" problem, it's a "white" Christian problem. dawg Nov 2017 #26
Stupidity, hate, meanness, collusion and complacency Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #27
So, he's like many of the TV evangelists left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #28
The televangelists and other RW religious leaders are putting America at risk NCjack Nov 2017 #34
Republican Jesus, is not Bible Jesus. sarcasmo Nov 2017 #30
Not really lame54 Nov 2017 #36
I say this to them and I always be sure to include pussy grabber and I've had a few come back with Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #37
This is the one that really blows my mind. I would like a person explain this to me reasonably. SandyZ Nov 2017 #42

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. Remember, "he" talks like me.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:45 AM
Nov 2017

Many so-called evangelicals are just like drumpf; total frauds when it comes to their religion.

 

DoctorPepper

(35 posts)
2. I know plenty of Christians who voted against him.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:23 AM
Nov 2017

How is this any different from attacking any other religion? What possible constructive good can this do?

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
6. Umm....it's not EVERY Christian. It's only the hypocrites who voted for Trump
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:34 AM
Nov 2017

and refuse to recognize that Trump is about as close to being the Satan they believe exists, as anyone who has ever been on this planet.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
10. Trump voting figures:
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 05:02 AM
Nov 2017
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

Trump won Catholics by 7 points, and Protestants by 19 points. He lost the Jewish vote by 47 points, the 'other faiths' vote by 33 points, and the religiously affiliated vote by 42 points. He won Mormons by 36 points.

The OP does not say "all Christians". But it's a simple fact that being Christian was one of the major indicators of voting for Trump. And the OP points out Trump's opposition to the basics of the faith's behaviour.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
11. they can research and generate polls all thry want
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 05:23 AM
Nov 2017

the fact the GOP/ russians engineered a coup and stole the election invalidates these numberd.

 

DoctorPepper

(35 posts)
41. The OP amends the tweet from "Christians" to "Some Christians."
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:44 PM
Nov 2017

It's the actual tweet to which I am responding.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
43. And the tweet does not say "all Christians"
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:27 PM
Nov 2017

If Christians had voted in the proportions of non-Christians, Trump would have lost in a landslide. The collective vote of Christians elected Trump. Tens of millions of Christians voted for Trump despite his morals.

Response to iluvtennis (Original post)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
8. That's a good one!
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:44 AM
Nov 2017

I recommend Vivian's Twitter page for some great humor and tRump blasting.

See: https://twitter.com/Belairviv

That quote from the OP needs to be on billboards around the country!

JI7

(89,250 posts)
9. they are white supremacists who hid behind christianity but revealed themselves with their support
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:50 AM
Nov 2017

for trump.

modrepub

(3,495 posts)
12. Not Really
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 05:32 AM
Nov 2017

It's a great system for thrashing anyone you want because there's no way to be perfect; even a newborn is tainted with original sin. They also know God forgives (their kind). I'm also becoming convinced it's another dog whistle to identify those heathens who are not supporting "Judeo-Christian" values (whatever those are).

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
29. "Judeo-Christian"
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:52 AM
Nov 2017

Huh...

There's another juicy bone of contention for you.

I cannot help but wonder if some of the White Racist oriented so called Christians even know that Jesus was Jewish, and that the "Judeo" bit references Judism.

But then again, as Mineral Man referenced in an earlier post, Christianity has far more flavors than Baskin-Robbins or Ben and Jerry's ever did.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218258471

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
13. 81% Evangelicals, about 60% white Catholics voted for T
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:00 AM
Nov 2017

See blog of bilgrimage.com (RC theologian) and of
slacktivist at patheos (former Evangelical) for discussion and links about reasons why these 2 groups were/are so susceptable to the T message. Many extremely illuminating links.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
20. The final numbers say Hillary won the Catholic vote
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:43 AM
Nov 2017

48% to 45%.

Why would you break this out into a "sub-group" of white Catholics? It's almost dishonest.

Most Catholics voted for Hillary.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
32. What bilgrimage posted
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:08 AM
Nov 2017

Lindsey says Hispanic Catholics voted for HRC, and that why Catholic vote as a whole went for HRC.

He's been tracing the prevalence of white supremacy in conservative white Christians, Catholics and Evangelicals alike

He grew up So Bapt in Arkansas, became Catholic, has lived-studied-taught in US and Canada. He now lives with his huband back in Arkansas. For some years he's been documenting how Evangelicals and the Catholic Bishops have formed a united pro conservative, pro GOP group.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
14. and shows no outward signs he even believes in God
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:20 AM
Nov 2017

and tell me when was the last time he attended church?
but he does say Merry Christmas!

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
31. That lack of outward belief is his lone redeeming quality...literally the only thing.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:04 AM
Nov 2017

He is nothing more than a mirror of their internal thoughts - hate, self-importance, arrogance and hypocrisy. A natural "evangelical" if ever I have seen one...

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
15. Christian Right
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:25 AM
Nov 2017

One of the most dangerous groups in America is the "Christian Right". Religion can provide cover for hatred and greed. Just look at how Ku Klux Klan often pretended to be religious. If one claims to be a Christian but does not know and support the teaching of Jesus, are they really Christians?

Many evil people feign love for God. Or for Allah. Christianity is no different than Islam in this regard. Religion hides and justifies their evil and they can always claim divine forgiveness if exposed.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. The perfect disguise for demons is as a person that vigorously claim to be of faith.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:13 AM
Nov 2017

That has been the case for many centuries and likely will be for the rest of time.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
17. Christians can come up with all kinds of reasons to vote for Trump.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:58 AM
Nov 2017

Some voted for Trump because of the abortion issue or because of tax cuts or because of his views on immigration. Trump's personal failings were often dismissed by referencing Bill Clinton and his personal issues or by referencing Hillary Clinton's supposed ethical shortcomings (her emails!). Basically, if somebody is a Republican and a Christian they can always rationalize why they vote for the GOP even if the Republican candidate is as obviously unchristian as Trump.

I follow some Catholic websites and the comments sections are often vicious wars between Catholics over politics. And yet most people on both sides would consider themselves to be devout and orthodox in their beliefs. I notice the same thing in real life. I have friends who are devout Catholics but they differ radically when it comes to politics.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
19. It's not weird at all
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:08 AM
Nov 2017

I'm going to whip a very important five-word phrase on you.

The end justifies the means.

People who voted for Trump want Christianity - THEIR version of the faith - to be the law of the land.

The Bible says, "before I formed you in the womb, I knew you." So they want abortion banned in all situations, even if the fetus is killing the mother. (1)
The Bible says, "if a man will not work, he shall not eat." So they want all forms of public assistance banned. (2)

It is late so I'm not going to recite all the misinterpreted phrases from the Bible, but the Religious Right bases their idea of government upon them. Trump has promised to give the Christian Right any damn thing it wants, so they voted for him.

(1) This phrase comes from the Book of Jeremiah, which is a book about a prophet. The entire passage (Jeremiah 1.4-5) makes it very clear what it's about: Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." Simply put, he's talking to one guy - the prophet Jeremiah - and not to everyone in the world.

(2) This is from 2 Thessalonians. It seems the Apostle Paul brought a bunch of people to Thessalonia to do some labors, and a few of Paul's followers refused to work. They just ran around all day acting like a Trump supporter. Paul was simply telling his new friends, "hey, don't feed those people."

iluvtennis

(19,861 posts)
40. Thanks for this post. You remind me of my sister-in-law (daughter of a pastor) who can cite
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:12 PM
Nov 2017

bible verses chapter and verse for any situation...boy, I wish I could do that.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
22. He's very experienced with the concept of sin.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:15 AM
Nov 2017

He knows them all, very well. You'd be amazed how much he knows them.

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Once you've mastered them all, you win a prize.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
26. It's not a "Christian" problem, it's a "white" Christian problem.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:34 AM
Nov 2017

And I say that as a white Christian myself.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
27. Stupidity, hate, meanness, collusion and complacency
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:39 AM
Nov 2017

Elected this creature to office. True Christians or true “any faith” are rarely his supporters.

This country is seriously whacked in many ways and will continue to be very dangerous for all of us.
But I don’t think blaming faux religious fools/foul humans will get us very far.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
28. So, he's like many of the TV evangelists
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:45 AM
Nov 2017

Instead of selling salvation,
Trump's selling "Make America Great Again".

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
34. The televangelists and other RW religious leaders are putting America at risk
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:30 AM
Nov 2017

because they do not condemn our unrepentant whoremonger president.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
37. I say this to them and I always be sure to include pussy grabber and I've had a few come back with
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:01 PM
Nov 2017

"Jesus loves everyone"...and I say except if their muslim, or brown..etc etc...and of course we all know Jesus was brown and Jewish It's crickets after that. This picking and choosing whom will get "grace" is bullshit.

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