This country is going to come to a stand still once all this comes out.

*(*&$*(

The Venona project was a counterintelligence program initiated by the United States Army's Signal Intelligence Service (later the National Security Agency) that ran for nearly four decades, spanning 1943 to 1980.[1] The purpose of the Venona project was the decryption of messages transmitted by the intelligence agencies of the Soviet Union, e.g. the NKVD, the KGB (First Chief Directorate) and the GRU (military intelligence).[2] During the 37-year duration of the Venona project, the Signal Intelligence Service obtained approximately 3,000 Soviet messages (only some of which were ever decrypted);[3] the Signal-Intelligence yield included discovery of the Cambridge Five espionage ring in the UK[4] and Soviet espionage of the Manhattan Project in the U.S.[5] The Venona project remained secret for more than 15 years after it concluded, and some of the decoded Soviet messages were not declassified and published until 1995.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_in_the_Venona_papers

I see another movie in the making.

First, we had "Hidden Figures".

Now we can have "Hidden Messages". Plum roles for women actors!

I noticed that too. Many of the cryptologists WERE women. Maybe there's a trend here? Hire a woman. She'll break all those codes and she'll also calculate your way to the moon!

We're WOMEN. Take us SERIOUSLY.

We’ll, maybe not that title... but it would be an excellent movie.

Ever see the British miniseries “The Bletchley Circle”? Similar theme, and very we’ll done.

...was completely captivating.

It is a fictional whodunit based upon the lives of the female cryptographers in the UK during WW II. The movie "The Imitation Game" was set at Bletchley Park, where the cryptographic services were headquartered. It was there that Turing developed his Enigma-cracking wonder machine.

ended up learning about Venona. Interesting.

MAN...

...an ignoble history on the part of both countries.

The heavy lifting is coming.

Is at the ballot box.

Throughout our history protests have had great symbolic value. It's a part of how we show each other how deep our feelings on important issues go. The turnout in my town of Gainesville when Richard Spencer came here resounded through the community sending a strong message to those who thought that maybe it wasn't a big deal that what's going down needs to be paid attention to, and the response was noticeable, and I think it will lead to longer lines of people voting correctly.

Refresh my memory how protests removed W and Cheney.

I hit the streets a number of times in (supposedly liberal) Seattle and it hardly made a blip on the local news.

I did feel better about myself for going and maybe at some point, there will be enough critical mass for it to matter.

Try another fallacy.

W served both terms in spite of all the protests. Cheney shot a guy in the face and still finished his tenure.

..... and in an alcohol belladonna haze when he pulled the trigger and shot his hunting buddy in the face.

But he disappeared and the investigate authorities were given the run around until cheney sobered up. His filthy rich ultra luxurious hunting camp pals covered for him like all was well and above board. No problem here - just move along attitude.

By then the trail was cold and Cheney walked away scot-free and team bush/Cheney was re-elected. Bless turd blossom, 10X better the political demon/fix it man than was Harvey Leroy "Lee" Atwater.

These people bring disgrace upon America.
Demons masquerading as political operatives, Patriots, and statesmen.
The dregs society has to offer.

The vote is the only effective means of getting what you want.

You're confusing cause with effect.

You're also moving your initial goalposts.

Bumper stickers don't make very good arguments.

By reality.

Only thing that creates informed voters. It just seems that protests don’t matter in the short term. The truth is otherwise and historically proven

Not one of fatass's supporters will change their mind because of a protest against that fetid pile of diarrhea.

Protests made a couple of Republicans think twice about voting to take the ACA away. Protest shows we're paying attention. This presidency is different, these are far different times.

Now, FAIR elections...that's aifferent story.

Because the electorate couldn't or wouldn't consider the awful outcomes.

either thoses elections were stolen by Rs or lost by Ds.

to be protested until they look for apolitical alternatives. all those stations are excusing trump and family and attacking mueller and enabling/intimidating trump critics and dem reps trying to investigate, as well as hillary and obama, and they're doing it while piggybacking those unis.

i wouldn't be surprised if they found out limbaugh and hannity and some of the other talk radio gods had cyprus bank accts and putin's been using talk radio since 2008 or earlier.

here's limbaugh this morning

- conflating the texas shooting with attacks on republicans, scott pruitt EPA, rand paul, scallise….

- democrats and liberals are out shooting republicans

- said before that “only republicans are getting shot”

- no question the left is encouraging this violence and applauding it — like ferguson, etc

- vile repulsive infectious rage on the left

From republicanradio.org:

ALABAMA 8  Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 2 Arizona St. 1, Arizona 1
ARKANSAS 3 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7  Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 5 Wisconsin 5

Has lost a majority of his advertising revenue because sponsors are fleeing his putrescence. Yet, we've seen no restructuring of his bloated contract and he continues to spew his vomit all over the airwaves.

The only effective way to muzzle this mutt is through the vote, which will us back to some kind of fairness doctrine and put media companies on notice that their 'talent' will be held accountable.

and the talk radio monopoly that had 9 years of unchallenged lying to get the tel com and other deregulation passed, and now will soon kill net neutrality, will continue to be their 'secret' advantage merely because the left /dems ignore it, and keep winning elections and issues for them.

by far the easiest way to win supermajorities and bring back some form of fairness doctrine for radio is to destroy the talk radio monopoly. there is no way to have informed fact -based discussions about any issue on a national level as long as dems /left continue to ignore talk radio.

ignoring talk radio means the best case will be a major disaster like trump causing enough people to wake up, but even then the result will be half assed with major compromise forced by teabag republicans enabled by a few hundred rw blowhards on the radio and the made-to-order constituencies they can create and mobilize in a day.

here are a few things people can do:

to start, dems and media and political scientists need to be encouraged to poll trump support for talk radio. too much analysis ignores the fact that this is actually the talk radio president and most of putin’s trolling piggybacked it. i’ll bet it shows the closest association outside of ‘white’

monitor it —  should be easier now to automate recording and transcribing the main rw talkers so people can search and study the patterns and repetition. if all of a sudden there’s a spike in, say the word ‘iran’ or ‘mueller’ or ‘deep state’, etc, it probably means something. knowing about it before  it becomes reality means not always having to play catch up

credit it —  trump needs a RUSH tattoo on his forehead, as do all republican pols and media hacks. they all ride the talk radio bandwagon and feed from the daily smorgasbord of talking points and excuses. dems in media could accurately preface answers to republican media hacks and politicians with “that’s what limbaugh says but...”

investigate it —  how long has putin been using it? did they find a way to feed limbaugh and coordinate with him and others? are any of them being paid  freelance money? exposing the talk radio gods as tools, especially russian tools, would help. Trump guy Sam Nunberg analyzed 1000s of hrs of RW radio & reported to Trump in 2014. to coordinate with Russian ops?

thank all local businesses that advertise on RW radio stations —  thank them for trump, trumpcare, global warming, privatization of public education, voter suppression, deregulation, tax breaks for billionaires, etc. it’s easy and fun to listen to a few minutes here and there and get a few  email addresses for thank-you notes that can get to the boss/owners.
protest it —   include the radio stations in any progressive protests —  they may  be better places to protest than capitols —  politicians and media will notice.

and to combine a few of those, push the 88 universities that endorse 257 limbaugh stations to stop crapping on their mission statements and start  looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on —  maybe their political science faculties and students can start studying the most dominant political factor in the US the last 30 years. people need to wonder why the unis should drop rw radio. it will start a discussion, gop will freak out, media will notice, and advertisers will flee.

What specifically leads you to allege that?

It's a demonstrably inaccurate premise, as many successful protests have occurred without a ballot box in use at all.

That didn’t have a majority party backing it.

But the one thing that needs to happen sooner, rather than later, is for it to conclusively and unassailably reach Trump.

It is just a bit longer timeline

It was Oswald. Recovered bullet and bullet fragments matched to Oswald's rifle, found on the 6th floor of the TSBD. Trajectory reconstruction based on the location and angle of the hits, the speed of the car, and the position of the occupants places the origin of the shots around the 6th floor window where Oswald's rifle was found (and where eyewitnesses saw a man with a rifle). Fun fact: the 1978 House Select Committee on Assassinations? They found that three shots were fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD, by Lee Harvey Oswald. Their finding of "possible/probable conspiracy" related to a supposed (but unproven) fourth shot, that didn't hit anything, and didn't exist in the first place because the conclusion was based on analysis of a Dictabelt recording from a police motorcycle...that, it later turned out, was nowhere near Dealey Plaza--the engine sound on the recording is from a three-wheeler motorcycle; there were none in the motorcade. Sirens aren't heard on the recording until a full two minutes after the assassination; the police motorcycles in the motorcade were going to Parkland Hospital at high speed with sirens on the whole way. AND the sirens on the recording display a marked Doppler effect...like they're passing by. So the ONLY evidence of "conspiracy" to emerge in any inquiries turns out to've not even been evidence.

Oswald may have been involved (probably not, he was on the second floor in the lunch room 90 seconds after the shooting), but Kennedy definitely was hit by a crossfire. He had at least 3 wounds - back, throat and head - and the autopsy found that the back wound did not connect up to the throat wound, which is the heart of the made-up magic bullet theory. After Kennedy's internal organs were removed, Dr. Hume stuck his finger into the back wound, and people present could see his finger extending the membrane lining of the chest cavity from behind. That means the back wound was caused by the bullet found on the stretcher later after it worked its way out. It also means the bullet that entered the back did not zig zag through Kennedy's throat and come out the front.

This also proves a conspiracy. The FBI had settled on the idea of 3 shots, and Kennedy had 3 wounds, so everything looked nice and tidy, until, at the last moment, it was discovered that one bullet from behind had struck the curb beneath the triple overpass, and a chip of cement had struck an observer there and caused his cheek to bleed. So if one shot missed, and there were 3, then 2 shots would have to account for all the wounding, and that is when Arlen Specter cooked up the incredible magic bullet theory.

Also, welcome to DU!

it up nicely for me.

time too.

how I missed this.

and can't believe I didn't recognize the phrase. I feel really stupid. LOL!

know the name.

I still believe the results were hacked, and Hillary should have won the Electoral vote easily.

i think we're all going to be stunned at the russians' reach.

I hope nothing is witheld due to national security, but I fear it will be.

* Big gobs (if not all) the Republican party incl the RNC;
* A lot of conservative wealthy people (e.g, the Mercers, I think the Kochs IIRC, Wilbur Ross);
* Facebook and Twitter -- including huge investments in FB;
* Apparently every single person Donald Trump ever met (Okay, slight exaggeration there);
* Alt-Right;
* Fundamentalists;

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And they've successfully infiltrated / promoted /contaminated such groups as --
* Bernie Bros;
* Antifa;
* BlackLivesMatter . . .


Okay -- who am I forgetting?? Are they in our universities and schools yet??

Even Repugs who aren't really "Trump associates" need to be considered. Several of them have shown themselves to be unaccountably Russia-friendly.

It's not the Trump administration that's under suspicion, it's the whole Republican Party and its billionaire bankrollers.

They are blatantly participating in the coverup/obstruction. I expect they'll go down with the SS Trumptanic.

it's that serious (as I for one believe) are the investigators, special counsels, etc telling appropriate people in government so that we can cut off the threat?

we can't wait to get Trump out of office.

This cancer could kill our country and do irreparable harm.

Which is probably why they could not release the documents

So we wait.

He's undoing our democracy on a daily basis working hand in glove with Putin. We will not exist as a national of laws and a constitutional democracy if this goes on for years, drumpf and the other Repug traitors have to be taken down soon. Yes, don't stop the investigation, but take down this oligarchy first, then continue on to get the Mercers at al.

1,2 5,10 years?

No way will the US of A last that long...

here in the USA. RepubliThugs do not seem interested in curtailing their share of the cash from Moscow. Hope Meuller truly has this case wrapped up tight.

It didn't happen by accident. Was it greed, the lure of easy money, maybe extortion or blackmail to hide a compromising (and career ending) incident? Russian influence is infiltrated our national government at the highest levels, and may have ensnared many of the highest ranking R politicians. Now it looks like the Russians have made inroads into the financial sectors, and certainly with businesses, lobbying efforts, social networking, cyber and IT, propaganda advertising, and also the news media.

The average citizen doesn't know how deep the Russians have penetrated, and even the news junkies are hard pressed to keep current with late breaking revelations. The federal government is acting like there's nothing to see here, they are still denying that the US is under attack and that we appear to be losing ground.

There are no modern laws or agencies that are addressing the technologies that the Russians are employing to undermine our country, and the Republicans are so corrupt that they can no longer be trusted to act on behalf of American security needs.

money and promises, and opportunities for power. The US is truly a playground for those wanting to invade, and that is what this has been, a silent invasion. Far too often IMO people think invasions mean guns, wars, visible destruction of buildings and all. ... but many seem naive to a silent invasion.

of something taking place almost in plain sight.

When I first heard about Russian interference, I had trouble believing it. As each thing was exposed initially, it was hard to believe it had happened or that a person/people would do that (fill in the blank w/ the event/person).

This has played out like a spy movie that could NEVER be reality.

It sounded preposterous. Equally preposterous was that any American would willingly participate. After decades of hearing about the evil Russkies, no less.

Even now that all of the money and power grubbing payoffs are starting to be revealed, the fact that the pukes are in Putin's pocket is equally shocking. Just shows how corrupt the GOPee has become. And, some throughout the political spectrum are implicated (Dr. Stein, for example) but the pukes are thoroughly immersed in the treason.

I wonder who. Folks at Fox News?

I don't think they are escaping this.

Have you noticed it seems nearly impossible for MSM to use the word "lie" even when it's effing OBVIOUS (e.g. proved on video)?

aside.

InfoWars too.

I just think of those guys when I hear the word journalist.

He said, "This will all come out, we will know everything eventually. And when it does all come out, it will blow people's minds.
"This is the biggest scandal in American history. From the President, Vice President and everyone on down, they lie. Not 90% of the time, not 99% of the time, they lie 100% of the time."

Here's a link to the stunning video:

https://shareblue.com/gop-insider-insists-trump-and-pence-lie-about-russia-100-percent-of-the-time/

pretty straight shooter to me.

I think they are trying to save their party as well as fighting for their country.

I think they are fighting to maintain status quo, with their own power intact. If they really wanted to defend their country they would be voting differently and pushing for impeachment.

between him, Rick Wilson, Richard Painter, Ana Navarro and a few others, it's amazing how many Republicans grow a heart and a brain after they leave the confines of Washington DC.

to try to drain some votes from DT.

And Bush, Sr. and Barbara.

I watched it live and it was so very moving. He spoke with such conviction and passion, that Harold Ford was near tears and Stephanie was too. (as was I).
Steve Schmidt was asked if he was going to quit the Republican Party like Joe Scarborough did and
his reply was, "....not yet". It wouldn't surprise me if he eventually did along with Nicole Wallace.
BTW, I find I'm really liking Nicole's show on MSNBC at 1pm PST.
I remember her saying she STILL has PTSD from her working with Sarah Palin and at the end of the campaign she just couldn't vote for the McCain/Palin ticket!

Thanks for posting John Schindler's tweet. I'm not on twitter (yet), but I read his feed daily.

"Donald Trump has the power to hold on to the presidency, as long as elected Republicans, cowed by the conservative base, support him. That is true almost regardless of what he’s done or what’s proven by Mueller. As long as he has that power, he will exercise it. That’s what recent history seems to show.

Democrats do not currently have the numbers to stop him. They can’t do it without some help from Republicans. And Republicans seem incapable, not only of acting on what Mueller knows, but of even coming to know it."

The investigation is dependent on good, honest investigators and the longer it takes the more the chance it can become compromised by powerful interests within the government. I have no doubt the foreign (Russia) involvement will be continued to be investigated, I'm not so confident our own corrupt officials (especially those at the top) will be investigated long term.

is some of the best public info about likely Soviet spies.
McCarthy's accusations are mostly after the time when the Venona window was open,
and the bases for them are pretty unclear.

This is not about communism. This is about organized crime.

pres and vp. and the Republicans in Congressional leadership. presidency, and vice presidency should be furiously figuring out how to make that happen and do what they can to make things somewhat easier on themselves.

about this.

is unraveling at a record pace? People are literally dying (PR) right now and many more will likely die from lack of insurance (rising rates due to sabotage) and general stress!

This isn't a normal investigation. Our country is falling apart at the seams.

Plus, if he is still President, he will pardon everybody he can.

Republicans need to get him out of there. How do we pressure them to do that?

system of government. We are not a satellite country its, time for a purge.

One was a long term, broad, counterintelligence operation run by the SIS/NSA to intercept and decrypt messages from the USSR.

The other is run by the FBI as a domestic, special council investigating a particular case of suspected wrongdoing.

A better analogy would have been the Watergate or Whitewater investigations.

And frankly, implying that today's investigations could take 4 decades is disheartening to say the least.

At this point, we don't know how long it will take. It certainly doesn't sound like it's going to be 4 decades.

I think Schindler's point is that the Russians have infiltrated in such a massive way. That's the way I read it anyway.

I updated the OP with more info.

Trump continues to unravel the country in ways that will cause harm for generations

Traitor
Fellow Traveler
Espionage
Treason

And start using them NOW!

Rosenburg who was executed.

Extraneous people outside of elected office should be a lower priority in bless they are needed to go after 45. Our democracy depends on a careful balance between haste and a thorough case for conviction.

I'm taking on a wait-and-see position on this. Let's not hope for the worst, yet!

he is still POTUS, he will clean up accepting bribes for pardons. And I hate the thought of that grifter making any more money from his treason.

Incredibly, 30% won't care or won't believe it, convinced by their talking heads and their man-god himself that it's all a liberal conspiracy to keep us from focusing on Hillary's emails.

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has incriminating audio of Donald Trump and his cronies. Some, but not all.

They will either flat-out dismiss it as "fake news," or they will shrug and say "that's why Trump is a great man."

Hell, most of the criminals and those of us who want justice might not even be around in 37 years. Where's the fun in that?! Not to mention, the US would be in shambles (assuming Trumputin continued to have their way!)!