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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:32 PM Nov 2017

Why did Rand Paul's neighbor beat the living shit out of him?

What caused a 59 year old anesthesiologist neighbor of Paul to beat him severely, breaking numerous ribs and causing himself to be charged with a 4th degree assault for attacking Paul as he mowed his yard over the weekend?

For reference
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-recovering-following-assault-his-kentucky-home

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Why did Rand Paul's neighbor beat the living shit out of him? (Original Post) NightWatcher Nov 2017 OP
He carried out what many just dream about doing to him. CatMor Nov 2017 #1
Pretty Much SeattlePop Nov 2017 #66
I have dreamt of being a vampire, biting lots of GOP leaders. They turn into Vamps & then into DUST trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #75
Maybe it was really a fight club meeting... Kleveland Nov 2017 #2
I'm glad Rand isn't my neighbor. n/t FSogol Nov 2017 #3
I'd like to know the answer to that question, too. MineralMan Nov 2017 #4
Affair? Sounds like an episode of Fear Thy Neighbor :Senator Edition HipChick Nov 2017 #5
That's my guess given how hush hush everything is around this. Vinca Nov 2017 #8
Right...it sounds very peculiar.. HipChick Nov 2017 #9
Is the RW media sounding off on this? Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2017 #71
I haven't heard, but if Rand was up to no good with the guy's wife would Faux discuss it? Vinca Nov 2017 #73
I'm sure they wouldn't Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2017 #74
??? Fits the gap in the facts, but hopefully it will come out Alice11111 Nov 2017 #59
4th degree assault sounds like a small-time charge gratuitous Nov 2017 #6
It is! atreides1 Nov 2017 #16
Yeah, 5 busted ribs sounds like a bit more than 4th degree... lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #29
They seem to be keeping details under wraps. Did Paul just take the ass whipping, or did the other.. brush Nov 2017 #47
Or were the broken ribs not caused by a beating, but just by Rand falling down Nay Nov 2017 #63
Whatever happened, give us some details. It must be really embarrassing for something like... brush Nov 2017 #67
The weird thing is that Paul was a no vote on Trumpcare ucrdem Nov 2017 #7
Yes, he thought Trump are was too generous.. whathehell Nov 2017 #44
The effect is the same; he (inadvertently) held back the disaster lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #48
Well, that's a good thing.. whathehell Nov 2017 #72
yep.. causing brother Mitch to take a beating from Cheatolini .. ucrdem Nov 2017 #89
Well, Paul is a first class dick. old guy Nov 2017 #10
that was my first thought also gopiscrap Nov 2017 #17
Thought he was a possum? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #11
LOL! I thouught he was a squirrel. fleur-de-lisa Nov 2017 #43
Rand mows his own lawn? lame54 Nov 2017 #12
That's another oddity jberryhill Nov 2017 #15
knowing his personality he's probably a seriously gopiscrap Nov 2017 #20
Good point jberryhill Nov 2017 #21
Or maybe he mows it at 6 a.m. on Sunday. Every Sunday. Nay Nov 2017 #65
Well, this is reported to have happened in the afternoon jberryhill Nov 2017 #68
Some people enjoy gardening and mowing (I am not one of those people). LisaM Nov 2017 #79
Enjoy it or not, a US Senator spends a lot of time away from home jberryhill Nov 2017 #84
Sure, but he might like to do it when he is there. LisaM Nov 2017 #88
a pic of our Sen. Grassley - a man who claims to mow his own lawn rurallib Nov 2017 #82
Maybe it wasnt HIS lawn he was mowing. Girard442 Nov 2017 #31
LOL I was going to say the same thing! n/t teezy Nov 2017 #53
Likely he ENJOYS mowing his lawn maxsolomon Nov 2017 #54
Wouldn't stop blowing the grass, leaves and clippings across his property line snooper2 Nov 2017 #13
Both doctors, both wealthy, live side by side in a pretty nice place (I've seen it) tonyt53 Nov 2017 #14
I thought the attacker was from a neighboring gated Community underpants Nov 2017 #32
Nope I was wrong. They live next to each other underpants Nov 2017 #33
Just the latest casualty in the Bowling Green massacre... Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #18
ha ha this is the best post post I have seen on this subject gopiscrap Nov 2017 #22
Thread winner! NT fleur-de-lisa Nov 2017 #46
lol...good one. PunkinPi Nov 2017 #51
When is that massacre going to end? Is Kellyanne keeping numbers? nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #85
that was the first thing I thought!! niyad Nov 2017 #91
Does it strike anyone else as odd that Paul doesn't have a lawn service? jberryhill Nov 2017 #19
My dad does his own lawn too. He likes the noise and goes all Zen while he does it NightWatcher Nov 2017 #23
How many weekends is your dad away on travel or at his remote workplace? jberryhill Nov 2017 #37
Some people enjoy yard work n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #25
I have a pretty rich uncle who cut his property at least until a few years ago underpants Nov 2017 #30
Does he spend a lot of his time somewhere else? jberryhill Nov 2017 #35
Quite a few underpants Nov 2017 #39
He may just be a penny pinched.. whathehell Nov 2017 #81
Super Secret Video of Rand Paul mowing Sedona Nov 2017 #57
I live in Florida, the grass stopped growing last month. Blue_true Nov 2017 #87
I Looked the Doctor Up on a Couple Sites That Rate Doctors Leith Nov 2017 #24
Maybe he just wanted Paul to try his Therm-a-Vest, now he could use it lol grantcart Nov 2017 #36
Yep, Paul started with an office at the Graves-Gilbert Clinic, right across from the Medical Center. tonyt53 Nov 2017 #58
Wonder if there is a reason that the doctor was unemployed Not Ruth Nov 2017 #45
so in other words he is the mirror image of Paul gopiscrap Nov 2017 #50
He pprobably woke the neighbor Motley13 Nov 2017 #26
Self-defense? LonePirate Nov 2017 #27
Just a normal neighborly squabble. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #28
Sounds like a case for Starsky and Hutch True Dough Nov 2017 #42
Starsky and Hutch would have sat and watched the fight. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #76
Vanity Fair - they had a history of heated exchanges about politics underpants Nov 2017 #34
I can't imagine living next to an outspoken Republican bathroommonkey76 Nov 2017 #86
maybe he looked at this web page and realized something... garybeck Nov 2017 #38
He imagined paul was ted cruz? Kahuna7 Nov 2017 #40
ok im getting a vision of Rand Paul fighting back.... samnsara Nov 2017 #41
that really is an insult to 14 year old girls. niyad Nov 2017 #92
Violence is never the answer. hamsterjill Nov 2017 #49
Is it beating the the living shit out of him or is it 4th degree whatever..... Not Ruth Nov 2017 #52
Guy was just following Donnie Short Fingers advice maxrandb Nov 2017 #55
Rand Paul is probably a bigger dick at home than at work HAB911 Nov 2017 #56
It was a dirty job, but someone had to do it. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2017 #60
Sadly, I am guilty.... Kleveland Nov 2017 #61
"Why did Rand Paul's neighbor beat the living shit out of him?" Is Pure Pleasure bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #62
Certainly not politics. mn9driver Nov 2017 #64
I still find it hard to believe Paul mows his own lawn. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #69
Something is bigly not adding up here. JenniferJuniper Nov 2017 #70
Maybe he's a total asshole B2G Nov 2017 #77
Comparing the injuries to the charge, JenniferJuniper Nov 2017 #78
Who cares? The Republicans are busy pulling off a TRILLION dollar a year heist right now! L. Coyote Nov 2017 #80
Sounds incredibly personal to me. Blue_true Nov 2017 #83
Why no guns? Johnny2X2X Nov 2017 #90

trueblue2007

(17,223 posts)
75. I have dreamt of being a vampire, biting lots of GOP leaders. They turn into Vamps & then into DUST
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:43 PM
Nov 2017

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
71. Is the RW media sounding off on this?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:38 PM
Nov 2017

Seems like they would usually never miss a chance to attack a once-registered Democrat and anti-Trumper for his attack on a Republican Senator and also use it as a broader attack on Democrats.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
59. ??? Fits the gap in the facts, but hopefully it will come out
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:33 PM
Nov 2017

Good guess, if I had to say. I can't stand to look at the slime ball. Maybe the neighbor just saw the face of hate and hypocrisy and lost it.

At least he occasionally has an unpredictable vote, best I can say.
He is worse than his father. That seems to be a trend in politics. W was worse than his dad. Actually, I think as Politics moves farther to the right, inyegrith goes.down.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. 4th degree assault sounds like a small-time charge
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:39 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe the neighbor got a lucky blow in and Paul took far more serious injuries than one would expect, but I have to wonder what the whole story is? The charges seem quite light for such a bad outcome.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
16. It is!
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:44 PM
Nov 2017

A misdemeanor assault occurs in Kentucky when a person physically injures another person, without legal justification. Kentucky has four assault crimes: first-, second-, and third-degree assault, which are, respectively, Class B, Class C, and Class D felonies. The least serious assault crime is fourth-degree assault, which is a Class A misdemeanor

brush

(53,784 posts)
47. They seem to be keeping details under wraps. Did Paul just take the ass whipping, or did the other..
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:06 PM
Nov 2017

guy sustain some damages too?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
63. Or were the broken ribs not caused by a beating, but just by Rand falling down
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:11 PM
Nov 2017

after being tackled?

brush

(53,784 posts)
67. Whatever happened, give us some details. It must be really embarrassing for something like...
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:18 PM
Nov 2017

this, a US Senator being beaten up, for it to be being kept so secret.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. That's another oddity
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:43 PM
Nov 2017

Given that his schedule is probably quite full, one might expect him to have a lawn service, rather than being around every weekend to cut the grass.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Good point
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:46 PM
Nov 2017

But if he does it himself, then one might think there are times when his lawn gets out of control.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
79. Some people enjoy gardening and mowing (I am not one of those people).
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:48 PM
Nov 2017

My BF loves mowing the lawn. Sometimes he gets impatient when the grass doesn't grow quickly enough, so he just rakes instead.

But I'm wondering if the people who've guess that this was a property line dispute are on to something. Maybe Senator Paul was trying to encroach on his neighbor's land by purposely mowing outside of his own property? I lived in a (rental) house for a while where there was a dispute about which side an apple tree belonged in and feelings were strong, even thought the landlord didn't even live in the house and the neighbor never used that part of the lawn (and was fine with us sitting under the tree).

Given Rand Paul's Libertarian propensities, something like a property line probably looms large in his worldview.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
84. Enjoy it or not, a US Senator spends a lot of time away from home
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:53 PM
Nov 2017

It's not really a question of "does he like to do it". Presumably, he has the schedule of a US Senator, and isn't around to do it on a weekly basis.

On how many weekends does your BF need to stay hundreds of miles away for votes, quorum calls, or official travel?

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
88. Sure, but he might like to do it when he is there.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:02 PM
Nov 2017

Some people find yard work relaxing. And if he can stick it to his neighbor in the meantime, probably so much the better.

rurallib

(62,420 posts)
82. a pic of our Sen. Grassley - a man who claims to mow his own lawn
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:50 PM
Nov 2017


Pretty much everything Grassley does would provoke laughter if so many weren't hurt by it.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
54. Likely he ENJOYS mowing his lawn
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:24 PM
Nov 2017

ridin' around mowing lawns that shouldn't exist is, in my observation, the most popular activity of the Ohio Valley.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
14. Both doctors, both wealthy, live side by side in a pretty nice place (I've seen it)
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:42 PM
Nov 2017

Even though some will try to make it political because of their political positions, I think otherwise. Ya see, when Paul first move to Bowling Green, I had a business-like encounter with him. Paul is a smartass. They guy that led that meeting when i met Paul, had the final words that stuck with me. He told Paul that just maybe he should have had somebody read the contract, that understood the bigger words in it, before Paul signed it. I walked away with the guy that ran the facility as Paul stood back and barked like a little yappy-ass dog. I'd bet a dime to a dollar that this was a "business" issue. The attacker is an anaesthetist and likely has done work with Paul.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
32. I thought the attacker was from a neighboring gated Community
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:52 PM
Nov 2017

I didn't think they lived next door to each other

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. Does it strike anyone else as odd that Paul doesn't have a lawn service?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:44 PM
Nov 2017

He's around every weekend to mow the lawn?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
23. My dad does his own lawn too. He likes the noise and goes all Zen while he does it
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:46 PM
Nov 2017

I, on the other hand would sell plasma to be able to pay my guy to take of the lawn for me. I truly hate it.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
30. I have a pretty rich uncle who cut his property at least until a few years ago
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:51 PM
Nov 2017

We're talking at least 3 acres. I asked him about it and he said it relaxes him.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. Does he spend a lot of his time somewhere else?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:58 PM
Nov 2017

Sure, lots of people cut their own lawns. But they don't have the schedule of a US Senator.

How many weekends is your uncle out of town?

underpants

(182,826 posts)
39. Quite a few
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:59 PM
Nov 2017

He is a big booster of his alma mater's football team. That's mostly in the fall. The summer is his quieter period of the year. He has a "busy season" at the beginning of the year

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
87. I live in Florida, the grass stopped growing last month.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:00 PM
Nov 2017

Was Paul mowing up fallen leaves? If so, why not use a blower? The whole thing sounds strange.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
24. I Looked the Doctor Up on a Couple Sites That Rate Doctors
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:47 PM
Nov 2017

Of course, I ignored the reviews that were added in the past week. If the site used "she" to describe the doctor's education and credentials, I closed it and moved on to the next one (that's just too shoddy to take seriously).

Apparently, the doctor is rude, won't look at the patient, won't treat anyone who smells like cigarettes, and accuses patients of just trying to get pain meds illicitly.

No matter what we think of Rand Paul, it looks like his neighbor is a fucking jerk who is capable of lashing out and has a real mean streak.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
36. Maybe he just wanted Paul to try his Therm-a-Vest, now he could use it lol
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:58 PM
Nov 2017

Paul is an ophthalmologist who has practiced in town since moving here with his wife in 1993…. Boucher is an anesthesiologist and the inventor of the Therm-a-Vest, a cloth vest partly filled with rice and secured with Velcro straps that is designed to help with back pain. He has worked at several local medical facilities through the years, according to public health records.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
58. Yep, Paul started with an office at the Graves-Gilbert Clinic, right across from the Medical Center.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:33 PM
Nov 2017

He was a pain in the ass to the guy that ran the place.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
28. Just a normal neighborly squabble.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:50 PM
Nov 2017

You know, like the time my neighbor wouldn't get rid of the dandelions in his front yard, so I went and clobbered him with a fireplace poker.

The fact that they are all being so tight-lipped about the causes says to me that this is a LOT more than a dispute over crabgrass. This is more like "Stay away from my wife, or the next time they'll be scraping you off your front porch with a spatula."

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
76. Starsky and Hutch would have sat and watched the fight.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:43 PM
Nov 2017

Like they're doing there.

THEN they would have arrested the neighbor. Maybe.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
34. Vanity Fair - they had a history of heated exchanges about politics
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:56 PM
Nov 2017

Days later, it remains unclear why the assailant—Paul‘s 59-year-old neighbor, Rene Boucher—attacked the senator in the first place. Jim Bullington, a former city commission member who knows both men, told the Post that the two, who live next to each other in their gated community, often engaged in heated exchanges about politics; Boucher is a vocal anti-Trump socialist, according to Bullington, while the libertarian Paul voted against an Obamacare repeal attempt because it didn’t go far enough in severing federal aid. The F.B.I. is investigating the incident, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader.

A former co-worker added that Boucher and Paul may have overlapped at Interventional Pain Specialists, a clinic in Bowling Green, around 2010, when Boucher worked there as a general pain management specialist and Paul, an ophthalmologist, had staff privileges. (It‘s unclear whether Boucher was employed at the time of the attack; the co-worker, David Ciochetty, told the Post that Boucher had “sustained a neck injury and could not continue his anesthesiology duties.”)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/rand-paul-attacked-neighbor/amp

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
86. I can't imagine living next to an outspoken Republican
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:58 PM
Nov 2017

If I did I'd probably beat the shit out of them every day.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
41. ok im getting a vision of Rand Paul fighting back....
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:01 PM
Nov 2017

...like 'a 14 yr old girl'....slapping, whining, covering his face with his hands, curling up in a fetal position as the other guy kicks the crap out of him.... calling for mom, shouting 'stop it'.....then the two rolling on the ground getting all covered with grass clippings. whatta site.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
49. Violence is never the answer.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:11 PM
Nov 2017

But please forgive me while I snicker just a little. Sometimes, I think a good pounding might be all that would ever get through to any of the righteous assholes like Rand Paul.

But I don't condone violence, of course.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
52. Is it beating the the living shit out of him or is it 4th degree whatever.....
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:23 PM
Nov 2017

Seeing different reports

maxrandb

(15,331 posts)
55. Guy was just following Donnie Short Fingers advice
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:26 PM
Nov 2017

"Get him out of here...I'd like to knock the shit out of him"

"in the old days, they take that guy out on a stretcher"

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
61. Sadly, I am guilty....
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:03 PM
Nov 2017

Although, it would be more fun just to shave that poodle off of his head, and take pics and videos of the process!

mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
64. Certainly not politics.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:13 PM
Nov 2017

It almost certainly has to do with his neighbor's wife. There's a commandment or two about that, as I recall.

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
70. Something is bigly not adding up here.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:37 PM
Nov 2017

Five fractured ribs from a fight with a nearly 60 year old guy? And the light charge for so viciously attacking a US Senator?

Kentucky has four assault crimes: first-, second-, and third-degree assault, which are, respectively, Class B, Class C, and Class D felonies. The least serious assault crime is fourth-degree assault, which is a Class A misdemeanor

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
80. Who cares? The Republicans are busy pulling off a TRILLION dollar a year heist right now!
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:49 PM
Nov 2017
Focus, focus, focus.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
90. Why no guns?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:06 PM
Nov 2017

Why didn't Rand have an assault rifle with him? This would have all ended so much better if both these guys had guns with them.

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