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The woman on the bike who flipped off tRump just got fired. Send her employer a message (Original Post) Cattledog Nov 2017 OP
unless she was at work or clearly identified as a government worker gopiscrap Nov 2017 #1
Freedom of speech is a thing shenmue Nov 2017 #4
Which she exercised, and then got the consequence. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #9
Their actions have consequences too. Especially when they have a double-standard about such things. Neema Nov 2017 #13
freedom of speech only applies to actions taken by government agencies. does not apply otherwise nt msongs Nov 2017 #25
A few days ago sarisataka Nov 2017 #15
the issue with that earlier discussion was that this was a private business gopiscrap Nov 2017 #17
How is she a public employee? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #20
that's what was reported here in the town I live in gopiscrap Nov 2017 #21
Public employees have some protections sarisataka Nov 2017 #22
Yes, funny how the worm turns. cwydro Nov 2017 #42
Thank you, I have been thinking of posting asking for this information. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #2
Done Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2017 #3
Do they have social media? crazycatlady Nov 2017 #5
Seems to be part of the larger HAB911 Nov 2017 #16
Now included in OP Cattledog Nov 2017 #34
That's like 1 mile from where I am sitting. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #6
They interviewed her and she said a man in her office posted something about "fucking libtards" and Neema Nov 2017 #7
What would the message be? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #8
OK? Dem2 Nov 2017 #11
Aw, thanks. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #26
So what would the message be? cwydro Nov 2017 #47
It's great fun to pretend that simply because a thing is legal is is also righteous and pure. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #36
I do hope I didn't give the impression I think it's either righteous or pure. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #38
You didnt. cwydro Nov 2017 #43
They fired her because they were afraid of bad press (even though a coworker of her was allowed Neema Nov 2017 #10
They have a "Code of Conduct" link on their home page. lpbk2713 Nov 2017 #12
That's exactly what they do. And they aren't even-handed about it. Neema Nov 2017 #14
that could be a suable offence gopiscrap Nov 2017 #23
In an at will state, it doesn't matter. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #30
They can fire anyone for any reason that doesn't violate discrimination laws. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2017 #39
A government IT contractor without guts. Interestingly, their website is down. Hope she does well. Hoyt Nov 2017 #18
When it comes to free speech and the workplace titaniumsalute Nov 2017 #19
This is the part I have a real problem understanding though... Neema Nov 2017 #29
Yes I read that titaniumsalute Nov 2017 #35
No Doxxing allowed. KWR65 Nov 2017 #24
I appreciate your sense of humor Sentath Nov 2017 #37
I'm glad I could spread a lil cheer with all the bad news lately. KWR65 Nov 2017 #48
What exactly does this business do? Hurt their pocket book! Jim Beard Nov 2017 #27
She should get an attorney & challenge. Even in a Right to Alice11111 Nov 2017 #28
Firing for any reason not protected by federal law or contract is an at-will employment issue, WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #31
Even in at will states (state law), you still have fundamental Alice11111 Nov 2017 #45
Of course! WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #46
Wrong. It has nothing to do with being a "right to work" state. onenote Nov 2017 #41
She had enough of his golfing. (my comment)............ Jim Beard Nov 2017 #32
Would you feel the same if it was Obama being flicked off? ksoze Nov 2017 #33
Seriously? Freedom of Speech isn't limited to who's in office so don't even go there! procon Nov 2017 #40
Contact page ThoughtCriminal Nov 2017 #44

msongs

(67,406 posts)
25. freedom of speech only applies to actions taken by government agencies. does not apply otherwise nt
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:35 PM
Nov 2017

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
15. A few days ago
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:21 PM
Nov 2017

There was a discussion on how employers shouldn't have to work with people they disagree on about politics. That it's is fine to fire someone who expresses a political view the employer is opposed to.
The difference in that discussion was the employees were Republican. In this case the proverbial shoe is on the other foot.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
17. the issue with that earlier discussion was that this was a private business
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:24 PM
Nov 2017

this issue with the woman on the bike is that she is a public employee and as such are afforded greater protection in the work place when expressing political prefernces out side of the work place

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
21. that's what was reported here in the town I live in
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:31 PM
Nov 2017

if not then she doesn't have a leg to stand on and since there are more Democratic leaning voters than Republican and the nation is trending slowly ever more progressive (despite the skewed cheated voting results of the past election) then this attitude will begin to hurt repub and conservatives more than Democrats and Liberals

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
22. Public employees have some protections
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:31 PM
Nov 2017

But also have restrictions.

I see the greater issue being the policies are not being equally enforced.

HAB911

(8,892 posts)
16. Seems to be part of the larger
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:22 PM
Nov 2017

NANA Corporation, I think is a native Alaskan group. Many native Alaskan companies do work for the government
one of thirteen Alaska Native Regional Corporations

For over 15 years, Akima Logistics Services supported special events for the United States Military Academy.




Neema

(1,151 posts)
7. They interviewed her and she said a man in her office posted something about "fucking libtards" and
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:14 PM
Nov 2017

was allowed to keep his job after removing the post. Nice double-standard, not that I'm surprised.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,346 posts)
8. What would the message be?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:15 PM
Nov 2017

As far as I can tell, this was a lawful firing. It's vital that employees fully understand the terms of their employment. People always seem so surprised in these situations.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
47. So what would the message be?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:10 PM
Nov 2017

I’ll ask too.

You think this company gives a crap if they get a bunch of emails?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
36. It's great fun to pretend that simply because a thing is legal is is also righteous and pure.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:10 PM
Nov 2017

"As far as I can tell, this was a lawful firing..."

It's great fun to pretend that simply because a thing is legal is by extension, righteous and pure as well. No doubt, realizing that is not in fact, the case, can be a surprise as well...

Neema

(1,151 posts)
10. They fired her because they were afraid of bad press (even though a coworker of her was allowed
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:17 PM
Nov 2017

to keep his job after posting about "fucking libtards&quot , so I'd definitely like to see them get way worse press not only for firing her, but for their fucking double-standard.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
12. They have a "Code of Conduct" link on their home page.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:18 PM
Nov 2017



But clicking it doesn't go anywhere. That speaks volumes. They must
decide what behavior is acceptable or unacceptable on the fly.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
30. In an at will state, it doesn't matter.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:47 PM
Nov 2017

They can have a policy, not have a policy, enforce a policy they have in an even handed matter - or not.

At the end of the day, if they say adios to you, and not 10 other people who did exactly the same thing, you've got no leg to stand on.

The exception is if they made their policy or their enforcement decisions based on membership in a protected class...

FoxNewsSucks

(10,431 posts)
39. They can fire anyone for any reason that doesn't violate discrimination laws.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:52 PM
Nov 2017

It really sucks. The only thing this makes a difference to is unemployment. It's not a valid justification for firing, so they can't deny her unemployment claim as she did nothing actually wrong.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. A government IT contractor without guts. Interestingly, their website is down. Hope she does well.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:24 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe she should set up one of those sites where we can send a few bucks as thanks.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
19. When it comes to free speech and the workplace
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:24 PM
Nov 2017

Yeah I think the lady got the shaft for being fired. But a workplace does have the right to terminate an employee for reasons like this. If I have an employee at our media company, who represents us whether they are at work or not, who does something to highly upset out audience or advertisers I'd have to look hard at punishing or removing the individual.

My wife is a public school teacher. Same thing. If she strips for a living on a weekend and it "gets out" she could be terminated. (I'm pretty confident she doesn't do that LOL.) Just examples.

I hope she quickly gets another job though.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
29. This is the part I have a real problem understanding though...
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:46 PM
Nov 2017

The company claimed that Briskman needed to be fired because her actions violated their policy prohibiting "discriminatory, obscene malicious or threatening content." Yet Briskman claims that a senior director did not lose his job despite referring to an employee as "a f**king Libtard a**hole" for supporting Black Lives Matter.

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/06/woman-fired-for-flipping-off-trump-says-conservative-colleagues-got-off-easy/

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
35. Yes I read that
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:02 PM
Nov 2017

and frankly they need to be consistent. I think they have opened themselves up for a lawsuit.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
28. She should get an attorney & challenge. Even in a Right to
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:43 PM
Nov 2017

Work State, there are laws protecting discrimination and free speech off the job.

Oddly, had she not gone to HR, noone would have known.
Retaliation.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,346 posts)
31. Firing for any reason not protected by federal law or contract is an at-will employment issue,
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:49 PM
Nov 2017

not "right to work."

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
45. Even in at will states (state law), you still have fundamental
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:22 PM
Nov 2017

Rights Under the US Constitution.

At least I think I practiced Civil Rights law for 30 years, in 2 Right to Work, at will, states.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,346 posts)
46. Of course!
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:06 PM
Nov 2017

But the right to not get fired at will is not one of them, with some carefully defined exceptions, of which this is not one.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
41. Wrong. It has nothing to do with being a "right to work" state.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:16 PM
Nov 2017

In most states, including Virginia, at-will employment is the rule. Only if an employee has a contract that limits an employer's right to terminate - and that rarely is the case -- can one do anything about an employment action that doesn't violate laws against discrimination.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
32. She had enough of his golfing. (my comment)............
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:50 PM
Nov 2017

Locals had expressed irritation with the influx of traffic and attention to the neighborhood created by Donald Trump’s frequent visits; sources say the Oct. 28 stay marked the president’s 96th golfing excursion since he was sworn into office.

96 times playing golf in a year!

procon

(15,805 posts)
40. Seriously? Freedom of Speech isn't limited to who's in office so don't even go there!
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:07 PM
Nov 2017

Try to keep up, that asinine, ridiculous remark has nothing to do with the important issue that's generating all the public outrage.

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