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How sick is the Evangelical Right? God was answering prayers of Texas victims! (Original Post) egbertowillies Nov 2017 OP
So, eliminate sin by killing off the entire human race. Sure. lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #1
The moron actually said this: NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #2
+1 agree . I'm stuck Out of town on bizness . Can't believe the local crap take on this here lunasun Nov 2017 #3
Could read just a part of preacher's truly horrirrible screed qtd in link bobbieinok Nov 2017 #4
Can I say... mass delusion? defacto7 Nov 2017 #5
First: Bettie Nov 2017 #6
Their delusion is eternal. GeorgeGist Nov 2017 #7
Primitive belief in an afterlife has enabled so much bloodshed. VOX Nov 2017 #8
You can go the other way though Calculating Nov 2017 #9
Religion is powerful. When practiced in a positive, inclusive, life-enhancing manner... VOX Nov 2017 #10

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
2. The moron actually said this:
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:40 PM
Nov 2017
“Deliver us from evil.” Millions of Christians throughout the world pray these words every Sunday morning. While it doesn’t appear that the Lord’s Prayer is formally a part of the worship services at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, I have no doubt that members of that congregation have prayed these words countless times in their lives.

When we pray these words, we are certainly praying that God would deliver us from evil temporally—that is, in this earthly life. Through these words, we are asking God to send his holy angels to guard us from those who would seek to destroy us with knives and bombs and bullets. It may seem, on the surface, that God was refusing to give such protection to his Texan children. But we are also praying that God would deliver us from evil eternally. Through these same words, we are asking God to deliver us out of this evil world and into his heavenly glory, where no violence, persecution, cruelty, or hatred will ever afflict us again.


Words of wisdom from an imbecile named Hans Fiene, a Lutheran pastor. Okay, Hans, why don't you just put yourself in the line of fire so you too can be delivered from evil, permanently.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
3. +1 agree . I'm stuck Out of town on bizness . Can't believe the local crap take on this here
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:51 PM
Nov 2017

Won't say where but ....can't wait for plane out later this week. Thank you Egberto.
Yeah This > For those with little understanding of and less regard for the Christian faith, there may be no greater image of prayer’s futility than Christians being gunned down mid-supplication. But for those familiar with the Bible’s promises concerning prayer and violence, nothing could be further from the truth. When those saints of First Baptist Church were murdered yesterday, God wasn’t ignoring their prayers. He was answering them.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
4. Could read just a part of preacher's truly horrirrible screed qtd in link
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:18 PM
Nov 2017

Sounds like he took stuff I heard as a child in church and twisted it so he could claim gun control would restrict God's acting for the good of His children.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
6. First:
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:32 PM
Nov 2017

they weren't saints...they were people attempting to live their lives

Second: No, they weren't praying to be murdered by a nut job.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
8. Primitive belief in an afterlife has enabled so much bloodshed.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:10 PM
Nov 2017

Everything from suicide bombings, to Civil War-era frontal assaults directly into massed fire, to cults that commit mass suicide to “move on.”

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
9. You can go the other way though
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:31 PM
Nov 2017

And say that concern regarding an afterlife has improved the behavior of many individuals throughout history. Religion has given people something 'bigger than themselves' to believe in, and helped to organize and shape society throughout the ages. Not everybody needs religion to give them purpose, but some people do and it can greatly improve their lives.

If it brings comfort to the victims of this church shooting then what's so terrible about it? Is it better to tell them "oh sorry, your loved ones are dead, there's no heaven, and they're just gonna feed the worms"?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
10. Religion is powerful. When practiced in a positive, inclusive, life-enhancing manner...
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:10 AM
Nov 2017

It can give much comfort. I’m in agreement with you there.

My issues with organized religion stem from the exclusivity each one claims. We’re now, once again, involved in an endless conflict in the Middle East with clear religious overtones, a case of, “who’s god is better, stronger, truer: the Christian God of the West, or Allah?

And for too many, belief in an afterlife makes them terrible stewards of the planet, since, for them, it’s merely a way station, provided by God to consume. No need to conserve or worry about climate change, God will provide, and heal the Earth.

Most organized religion relegates women to second-class status.

Some believers practice a judgemental spiritual one-upmanship: “Well, I’m saved, but you can do what you want. NEVER QUESTION GOD’S WILL, or you’ll go to hell, unless you have Jesus, like I do.”

Religion is often in conflict with science, as if the brains that were granted us should be used only for worshipping God the Father. My wife was once accused of “worshipping Darwin” by a “good Christian.”

Finally, evangelical Christianity in America has involved itself in the worldly arena of politics, and is decidedly conservative. This is where the greatest hypocrisy runs unfettered: As recorded, Jesus was a radical, a revolutionary, a bringer of change— more akin to Gandhi and Martin Luther King than Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. But evangelicals predominantly support tRump, a genuinely hateful human being and pathological liar who has no moral underpinning, and who routinely insults and belittles weaker people. His thoughts and deeds are pretty far from what Jesus taught.

While religion “can greatly improve their lives,” believers can also wield their faith as a weapon, which they’ve done for centuries.

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