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PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:07 AM Nov 2017

Joe Scar: "Women won this election for Democrats. They stood in line in the cold rain for hours...

and they were NOT GOING TO MOVE!"

Mika: "People were in the streets and marched after the election, now they are turning out to VOTE and send a message to this President!"

They're saying the recruitment of quality Democratic candidates in every State is going to explode. The money is going to pour in! More Republicans in Congress are going to retire by the droves!

This is a great show this morning! Mika is so happy she can barely keep the grin off her face or hold still. But she warns there's still lots of work left to do. Democrats need a leader and a good message to deliver.





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Joe Scar: "Women won this election for Democrats. They stood in line in the cold rain for hours... (Original Post) PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 OP
Thank you Sisters! Achilleaze Nov 2017 #1
Yep. Gotta give Joe a bit of credit for pointing that out. oasis Nov 2017 #2
He is trying to jump in front of a parade he delisen Nov 2017 #4
Donna Brazile up now. 7:30 est. oasis Nov 2017 #6
I disagree vlyons Nov 2017 #51
Yup, there isn't a day that goes by that Joe doesn't look into the camera and calls him a LIAR. PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #54
Has he been criticizing the rest of the Republican Party delisen Nov 2017 #55
I clearly wrote that I wasn't a big fan of Joe Scar vlyons Nov 2017 #58
"Mika's warning" is a bs attempt by media to choose delisen Nov 2017 #3
This padah513 Nov 2017 #40
ANd Don't Forget It Me. Nov 2017 #5
This NYT OpEd supports your statement. ariadne0614 Nov 2017 #39
I asked on DU last night what percentage of voters BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #7
White women voted for Trump. Agschmid Nov 2017 #8
Not as big a margin as voted for Romney, McCain or GWB. ehrnst Nov 2017 #10
White women voted for Trump. Agschmid Nov 2017 #11
Well, you could say that the existence of GOP women (or gays) is ridiculous ehrnst Nov 2017 #19
63% of white men voted for Trump. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #23
Yup, thank goodness for non-white women. Agschmid Nov 2017 #26
NOT ALL WHITE WOMEN Skittles Nov 2017 #72
And, again, none of those people were admitted serial sexual assaulters. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #13
Women who draw their identity and power from the men they align with (particularly young women) will ehrnst Nov 2017 #17
You think it was younger non-single women who voted Trump? RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #48
I didn't say that. ehrnst Nov 2017 #56
I think it's the older married women who vote as their husbands do RhodeIslandOne Nov 2017 #62
So not just for DT, then. Thanks for the clarification. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #63
Gender /Cultural Studies scholar S. Bordo agrees in her book "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton". lapucelle Nov 2017 #53
Gloria Steinem talked about studies of women who got higher education ehrnst Nov 2017 #57
Indeed. Agschmid Nov 2017 #27
You mean absurd in the sense that ehrnst Nov 2017 #64
The latter. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #67
They were both saying the same thing. ehrnst Nov 2017 #70
I sure as hell did not vote for Trump or any Republican. scarletlib Nov 2017 #12
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #29
No I am not in that category. scarletlib Nov 2017 #47
Yes, and way, way more white men voted for DT. I won't forget that. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #66
White women voted for Gillespie too justiceischeap Nov 2017 #14
Yes absolutely! Women of color turned out to vote and they were NOT going to be denied! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #18
WOC have been the most consistent voters for the Democratic Party justiceischeap Nov 2017 #21
Exactly. Those who claim to be the base treestar Nov 2017 #44
Many white women are waking up crazycatlady Nov 2017 #16
Good to hear. Agschmid Nov 2017 #30
Yes, It Needs To Be RobinA Nov 2017 #32
I LOVE personal stories like this! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #38
I know a LOT of white women, tavernier Nov 2017 #24
The majority of white women voted for Trump, thats a fact. Agschmid Nov 2017 #31
Im not arguing that. tavernier Nov 2017 #37
"thanks for the snark. Always gives me a little extra pep in the mornings" PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #50
The bigger majority of white men voted for DT. And fewer White women voted for DT than ehrnst Nov 2017 #68
I'm as white as they come and a woman crazycatlady Nov 2017 #34
Thats fine, but white woman did vote for Trump. Agschmid Nov 2017 #36
Isn't that awful. sandensea Nov 2017 #41
Yup, even in Mass. I know quite a few of them. Agschmid Nov 2017 #42
Way more white men than white women. ehrnst Nov 2017 #69
Mika: "It can START with being SANE. Sane is GOOD!" PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #15
This is a lie oberliner Nov 2017 #20
True but the number of white women who voted for Northam vs. 2016 was up justiceischeap Nov 2017 #22
The number of white men who voted for Northam vs 2016 was also up oberliner Nov 2017 #25
The decisive factor, IMO, was turnout and ground game justiceischeap Nov 2017 #28
I'm someone who runs ground game operations crazycatlady Nov 2017 #35
You walk the talk. Thank you sincerely for the work you do and donating 6 years of your life! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #43
now 7. I'm already talking to 2018 campaigns crazycatlady Nov 2017 #45
Oh! It wasn't women. It was women of color. Well, then. kcr Nov 2017 #59
Not women of color oberliner Nov 2017 #60
Okay. And? n/t kcr Nov 2017 #61
My mom recently broke her foot but would not be denied her vote mvd Nov 2017 #33
We have two great leaders in the presidential race 2020 already! ananda Nov 2017 #46
I agree! Two outstanding women right there! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #52
ALL VOTES MATTER!1!1!1 Thank you everyone who supported the Democrats! IronLionZion Nov 2017 #49
Again when Democrats get off their ass and vote Thrill Nov 2017 #65
Hooray!! For holding the line, sisters! peacebuzzard Nov 2017 #71

delisen

(6,046 posts)
4. He is trying to jump in front of a parade he
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:24 AM
Nov 2017

has spent much time trying to ignore or stop while currying favor with the dark side.

Right now these media characters, in the wake of Mueller indictments, are trying to run as fast as they can from anything Russian.

They are no long-term champions of honest news re women.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
51. I disagree
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:49 AM
Nov 2017

Donald Trump is so vulgar, stupid, and venal that even the very conservative Joe Scar is disgusted with him. Over the last year Joe has repeatedly and increasingly deplored and criticized Trump. While I am not a big fan of Joe, I'll take any talking head, especially a GOP talking head with a big audience, who rails against Trump. We need every voice and every effort to defeat that traitor in the WH.

delisen

(6,046 posts)
55. Has he been criticizing the rest of the Republican Party
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:04 AM
Nov 2017

over the past year? Do you think the only traitor is the one in the Oval Office?

Donald Trump was just as vulgar, stupid, and venal last year as he is this year.

The difference in Scarborough's performance is this: Mueller indictments and a Democratic voter counterattack which this talking head is busy trying to spin.





vlyons

(10,252 posts)
58. I clearly wrote that I wasn't a big fan of Joe Scar
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:33 AM
Nov 2017

and that I'll take what I can get from anyone who repudiates Trump. I'm quite aware that the entire Republican party is an evil and corrupt entity.

delisen

(6,046 posts)
3. "Mika's warning" is a bs attempt by media to choose
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:19 AM
Nov 2017

Democratic leaders for us based upon their prejudices and to define our message into one they deem acceptable to them for their own power and revenue purposes.

Yesterday they wherein one bandwagon-and were pleased to pitch their anti-democratic narrative, today it's jump on another bandwagon.

They don't serve truth, they serve themselves and those for whom they work.


ariadne0614

(1,737 posts)
39. This NYT OpEd supports your statement.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:35 AM
Nov 2017

A long dormant feminine warrior spirit is now fully awake. Watch out.
“Not only are women expected to weather sexual violence, intimate partner violence, workplace discrimination, institutional subordination, the expectation of free domestic labor, the blame for our own victimization, and all the subtler, invisible cuts that undermine us daily, we are not even allowed to be angry about it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/opinion/anger-women-weinstein-assault.html?emc=edit_tnt_20171108&nlid=56823741&tntemail0=y

BigmanPigman

(51,636 posts)
7. I asked on DU last night what percentage of voters
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:33 AM
Nov 2017

in both states and parties were women. I had a feeling that women put it over the top.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. Well, you could say that the existence of GOP women (or gays) is ridiculous
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:07 AM
Nov 2017

Let alone the existence of Palin, Bachmann and Fiorina.

You could just as well say it's "ridiculous" that women stay with their abusers. But you shouldn't be surprised that there are those that do.

The margin that's voting GOP is shrinking. And that's good.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
23. 63% of white men voted for Trump.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:14 AM
Nov 2017

More men overall voted for Trump and more women overall voted for Clinton.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
13. And, again, none of those people were admitted serial sexual assaulters.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:51 AM
Nov 2017

The fact that even ONE woman voted for Schtroumpf is absurd.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. Women who draw their identity and power from the men they align with (particularly young women) will
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:05 AM
Nov 2017

vote the way that men are voting.

The margin that's voting GOP is shrinking. And that's good.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
56. I didn't say that.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:13 AM
Nov 2017

At all.

Please re-read my post.

For more information on the women who voted for DT, who identify with a male as their source of power and identity:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html?_r=0

Not all young women who draw their identity and power from the men they align with are conservative or right wing. It's a very common phase for young women to go through - there a lot of pressure from society to place the approval you get from men as the metric for your value in the world. Especially in college, where the white male, and the white male gaze is what drives social acceptability.



 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
62. I think it's the older married women who vote as their husbands do
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:59 AM
Nov 2017

That's all I'm saying....

I see more and more college age couples who align politically, either Republican or Democrat, seeking one another out to avoid the other political bent.

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
53. Gender /Cultural Studies scholar S. Bordo agrees in her book "The Destruction of Hillary Clinton".
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:56 AM
Nov 2017

I think the Guardian had an excerpt from her book that discusses that very topic.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
57. Gloria Steinem talked about studies of women who got higher education
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:26 AM
Nov 2017

feeling overwhelmed by the sheer amount of male scholarship that is used in education (dead white men are the reference for most academic accomplishment), and often feel that they are imposters - not really qualified, but there by chance as a result.

Not to mention that college is very much a white male environment, and their approval of women is the cultural metric of social value for a woman.

It takes a long time to get over that feeling of success being predicated on male approval, and many women, even after college never do.

Evangelical women are expected to maintain that metric their whole lives - pleasing to God and Husband.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
64. You mean absurd in the sense that
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:06 PM
Nov 2017

It's absurd that we should have to lock our doors, because people shouldn't steal.

Or it's absurd that anyone at all, male of female took DT seriously as a good pick for POTUS.

Way, way more white men voted for DT. I won't forget that.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
67. The latter.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:09 PM
Nov 2017

I guess I grossly overestimated the intelligence of the American voter.

I seriously thought The Failure Fuhrer was our Stupidity Apex.

WOW, was I wrong.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
70. They were both saying the same thing.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:16 PM
Nov 2017

I understand now you were talking "absurd" in that it's absurd to you, rather than it's "absurd" in that it was acutally improbable.

scarletlib

(3,418 posts)
12. I sure as hell did not vote for Trump or any Republican.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:48 AM
Nov 2017

I am an older white woman. So don't put us all in that category.

Response to scarletlib (Reply #12)

scarletlib

(3,418 posts)
47. No I am not in that category.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:28 AM
Nov 2017

I am in the minority category of white women who had enough sense to know better that to vote for that corrupt, blow hard bigoted ass.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
14. White women voted for Gillespie too
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:57 AM
Nov 2017

It was women of color that put Northam over the top. As soon as we acknowledge that women of color are now the base of the Democratic Party and get their input, the better off we’ll be.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
18. Yes absolutely! Women of color turned out to vote and they were NOT going to be denied!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:07 AM
Nov 2017

The numbers are being crunched now but I think I read that turnout was up 18%! That's HUGE and very significant in a non-presidential election!

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
21. WOC have been the most consistent voters for the Democratic Party
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:09 AM
Nov 2017

I think I read that not a single vote was cast for the 3rd Party candidate. It was either Northam (in the 90% range, if I recall) or Gillespie.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
16. Many white women are waking up
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:05 AM
Nov 2017

I had a friend who's a registered Republican (she didn't vote at the top of the ticket in 2016) march with me in NY in January. She voted straight Democrat yesterday.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
32. Yes, It Needs To Be
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:21 AM
Nov 2017

repeated over and over that Obama was elected by AA voters. Which means white men and women who voted for Obama, and more importantly those who would have but didn't vote because they had to run errands that day, need to get consistently to the polls. Same for white female HRC voters who stayed home because they thought it was in the bag. Same for AA voters who don't show because their one vote doesn't count.

I don't usually vote in this post-presidential election because in my area it's judges and school board. But I went this time to vote for Democrats, hoping that others would do the same and a message would be sent.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
38. I LOVE personal stories like this!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:32 AM
Nov 2017

When you have motivated (and pissed off) voters turning out to send a message, you get a BLUE TSUNAMI as was witnessed yesterday across the Nation. People like your friend (and millions of others) vote BLUE down the entire ballot! So awesome...


tavernier

(12,407 posts)
24. I know a LOT of white women,
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:15 AM
Nov 2017

and they DID NOT vote for trump. I don’t know from polls or statistics; I can only go by the people I know and talk to. But it’s never a good idea to generalize against any race or sex.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
31. The majority of white women voted for Trump, thats a fact.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:20 AM
Nov 2017

Whether you know that majority of not is not important.

tavernier

(12,407 posts)
37. Im not arguing that.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:29 AM
Nov 2017

I’m referring to your post title, “White women voted for Trump.” This makes it sound as though all of us did, which is far from the truth.
Oh, and thanks for the snark. Always gives me a little extra pep in the mornings when I’m heading out for work.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
50. "thanks for the snark. Always gives me a little extra pep in the mornings"
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:41 AM
Nov 2017

This made me burst out laughing for some reason! I'm STILL laughing...

You are just too cool!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
68. The bigger majority of white men voted for DT. And fewer White women voted for DT than
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:11 PM
Nov 2017

Romney, McCain or GWB.

Obama did worse with White Women than DT did.

Were you as outraged at white women then?

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
34. I'm as white as they come and a woman
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:24 AM
Nov 2017

I didn't vote for Trump. I wouldn't vote for him if you gave me free reign of his bank account plus a winning Powerball ticket.

sandensea

(21,677 posts)
41. Isn't that awful.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:42 AM
Nov 2017

I knew a lot of them - white, rabidly Republican women - in Orange County, CA. They were often more extreme than the men in their right-wing opinions.

Both GOP men and women shared that same racism and all-around self-righteousness you often see on that side of the aisle - but with women, it was spiked with an irrational fear of minorities (particularly minority men).

To borrow a term from Cheeto: Sad.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
69. Way more white men than white women.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:14 PM
Nov 2017

In 2004, Bush got fifty-five per cent of the white female vote, and Kerry got forty-four per cent—a “reverse gender gap” (one working in the G.O.P.’s favor) of eleven points. In 2008, McCain got fifty-three per cent of the white female vote, and Obama got forty-six per cent—a gap of seven points.

DT got 53%

We did better this year with white women.

Were you as angry about white women in 2004 and 2008?

And are you as angry at white men?

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
9. Mika: "It can START with being SANE. Sane is GOOD!"
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:38 AM
Nov 2017

Mika: "Republicans are in a box and they walked the plank for Trump. His promoting his golf course while giving a MAJOR speech in Korea was beyond GROSS."

Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. This is a lie
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

The Republican carried white women in Virginia (51 percent of white women voted for Gillespie).

It was African-American voters (both men and women) who voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
22. True but the number of white women who voted for Northam vs. 2016 was up
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:11 AM
Nov 2017

We’re making inroads but still WOC are the consistent voters of the Democratic Party.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. The number of white men who voted for Northam vs 2016 was also up
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:15 AM
Nov 2017

The shift was pretty much identical for both white men and white women.

Point being, it was not women, in particular, who made the difference in this election.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
28. The decisive factor, IMO, was turnout and ground game
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:18 AM
Nov 2017

Every day last week we had a sticky on our front door to remind us to vote and when. We finally left one on the door so they’d stop leaving them.

We also had several door knockers on top of that. Huge difference between 2016 and 2017 in volunteer activity in NoVa.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
35. I'm someone who runs ground game operations
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:25 AM
Nov 2017

And last year, I doubted what I had spent the last 6 years of my life doing. But I just finished yet another ground game operation and my confidence is restored again.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
59. Oh! It wasn't women. It was women of color. Well, then.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:35 AM
Nov 2017

Duh! Everyone knows white women are the default! Good catch, oberliner!

mvd

(65,180 posts)
33. My mom recently broke her foot but would not be denied her vote
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:23 AM
Nov 2017

It was cold and rainy here also. Major props to her and all the women who did the same!

ananda

(28,879 posts)
46. We have two great leaders in the presidential race 2020 already!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:08 AM
Nov 2017

Kirsten Gillibrand and Elizabeth Warren!

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
52. I agree! Two outstanding women right there!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:53 AM
Nov 2017

And I'm in love with Rep. Adam Schiff (D CA). He's 5-tool and got it all!
Poised, articulate, no drama, honest face and 'wicked smart'. I totally trust him!

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
65. Again when Democrats get off their ass and vote
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:08 PM
Nov 2017

Like in 08. They would never lose any of these elections

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