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Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:00 AM Nov 2017

Some lessons Toronto learned from Rob Ford that may be useful against Trump:

There are some very strong correlations between how Rob Ford gained power in the Toronto mayoral election a few years ago, and how Trump wedged his way into power in the US federal election. Of course there are vast differences (not the least of which is scale, obviously), but today I saw this thread on Twitter that had some interesting information that seems borne out by the results in VA and NJ this week:

Link to the thread here (it references the Politico article everyone seems to be talking about today):





This is one case where I think it's very fair to make a Pres-Trump v. Mayor Ford comparison. /1
/2 Amid the 2014 Toronto elxn, when I was with @Soknacki2014, a few volunteers described trying to persuade Ford voters.
/3 I had to advise everyone to just stop & walk away the moment they found out Voter X was a Ford fan. The problem..
/4 - as with Trump voters, was a widespread, cult-like suspension of reality. They'd tell you he had built a subway in Scarborough -
/5 - and when you pointed out that construction hadn't even started yet, it didn't matter. Specific broken promises: didn't matter.
/6 Many told canvassers + media the crack story was a lie - but once Ford admitted it, they said it didn't matter (some *still* said it was a lie)
/7 The total loyalty simply based on the notion of shared anger - "he's sticking it to THEM" - was enough to literally turn off brains.
/8 And anyone who worked that election knows that plenty of brains were lost that way. The stereotype of Ford Nation, like camp Trump -
/9 - as uneducated or low income drones was completely wrong; we hit Ford Fans of many age, gender, income & education levels.
/10 So we bypassed them, completely. And the easy reality was seen in Virginia on Tuesday: the only way for Dems & anti-Trump GOP to win -
/11 - elections against this phenomenon is to swamp it with higher turnouts. But in the long term, we really need psych + polici to -
/12 - study these movements like the cults they became, and to test whether approaches used to break cults can do work *politically.*
/13 Because that's what we are dealing with on the voter end of this crisis, and it's time to approach it from both ends accordingly.
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Some lessons Toronto learned from Rob Ford that may be useful against Trump: (Original Post) Saviolo Nov 2017 OP
He's right. There's no point in trying to persuade Trump voters. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #1
Here in Toronto we were all scratching our heads Saviolo Nov 2017 #3
There are simply people who are racist. And they see it as a feature, not a bug. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #4
Great Points....he was hated outside his base.. HipChick Nov 2017 #2

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
3. Here in Toronto we were all scratching our heads
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:20 AM
Nov 2017

There was a significant ethnic voting block that supported Ford, mostly in more rural areas around Toronto (Greater Toronto Area is amalgamated with several nearby bedroom communities), which was surprising because of Ford's sometimes subtle, and sometimes overt racism. And they were die-hards, too.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
4. There are simply people who are racist. And they see it as a feature, not a bug.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:24 AM
Nov 2017

Liberals make the mistake in thinking that all people are reachable and teachable.

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