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This Roy Moore thing is an inside hit job (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 OP
I've seen a couple posters speculate bearsfootball516 Nov 2017 #1
Smart move by McConnell HipChick Nov 2017 #3
Write ins are a long shot... lame54 Nov 2017 #8
They cannot replace him on ballot mikeysnot Nov 2017 #13
Yup. Too late. It has to be done 72 (?) days before the election TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #48
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but that was my thought as well eissa Nov 2017 #4
Mine too-- thoughts went directly to McConnell. Again, no proof just my p;ersonal opinion. ATL Ebony Nov 2017 #16
They can't replace him. It'd be write-in only and no way does a write-in stand a better chance than Drunken Irishman Nov 2017 #21
Too late to replace Moore on the ballot gratuitous Nov 2017 #23
"Roy Moore maintains double-digit lead over Doug Jones, Senate poll says" yallerdawg Nov 2017 #30
And they need to be able to explain the loss ThoughtCriminal Nov 2017 #44
Oh the long knives are out...it's rethuglican hardball workinclasszero Nov 2017 #51
I think the Republican establish would rather Moore lose. mr_liberal Nov 2017 #52
he has been very public for decades yet this stuff is only coming out now. very odd nt msongs Nov 2017 #2
The damn has been breaking. Weinstein, Spacey, and others. Now Moore. pnwmom Nov 2017 #36
He had massive power. Blue_true Nov 2017 #40
definitely not odd - these are the "me too" times womanofthehills Nov 2017 #49
He may have thrown some info to the WP which followed up Kaleva Nov 2017 #5
It's an interesting theory COLGATE4 Nov 2017 #6
I thought the same thing. McTurtle could care less about sexual abuse issues. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #7
that's my thought also gopiscrap Nov 2017 #9
damn. just damn. CatWoman Nov 2017 #10
That doesn''t mean the allegations aren't true and I'd like to see that made clear hlthe2b Nov 2017 #11
You are quite right. Justice Nov 2017 #12
McConnell released his statement almost immediately. Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #14
Important point Achilleaze Nov 2017 #42
I disagree Stuckinthebush Nov 2017 #15
Don't agree stevil Nov 2017 #17
The fact they were quick to line up supports the OPs point more than the one you're trying to make. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #19
It does seem really odd for this to come out now if true. Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #18
It's possible Moscow Mitch didn't know about the incident when Strange was running against Moore BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #20
The accusations are not false..... The Washington Post researched it. Stuart G Nov 2017 #22
+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #25
Not only that but Moore is not denying the other relationships with teenage girls so its not ... uponit7771 Nov 2017 #27
Prior to this the story was true but unknown Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #31
I don't know for certain about the story's truth... DAMANgoldberg Nov 2017 #41
Never feel sorry for Moore. He wants gays imprisoned/executed OliverQ Nov 2017 #37
Uh... No... Baconator Nov 2017 #24
Not sure about that. Moore is the Bannon wing OliverQ Nov 2017 #38
Here is how they will replace him Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #26
Here is the research the Washington Post did: (from a follow up story by CNN) Stuart G Nov 2017 #28
Did you mean to respond to my post with this? Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #29
No...this was more info on the case, not about how they will replace him Stuart G Nov 2017 #35
The only thing that changed is the story is now public. Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #32
Sounds like a plan the kremlin cooked up Achilleaze Nov 2017 #43
He's a month late. samir.g Nov 2017 #33
It is before the main election...December 12...but you are saying before the primary? Stuart G Nov 2017 #34
Primary, since he wants his own guy to run in the general samir.g Nov 2017 #39
Have you no respect for the victim? This is about sexual assault and a predator. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #45
Wow, that's quite the accusation! Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #46
It does not matter GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #47
You nailed it. The calls for him to step down were too immediate. Tatiana Nov 2017 #50

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
1. I've seen a couple posters speculate
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:29 PM
Nov 2017

That McConnell has seen Moore's internal numbers and they're really bad, and he's scared Moore is going to lose to Jones. So he's trying to get him to step down and replace him with someone McConnell thinks is more electable.

I don't know if there's any proof to back that up, though.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
48. Yup. Too late. It has to be done 72 (?) days before the election
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:07 PM
Nov 2017

They could campaign for write in votes for a different candidate though. That's how Lisa Murkowski won in 2010.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
21. They can't replace him. It'd be write-in only and no way does a write-in stand a better chance than
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:01 PM
Nov 2017

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
23. Too late to replace Moore on the ballot
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:07 PM
Nov 2017

But if McConnell (or someone) didn't like how Moore is polling, this bombshell might be just the thing to make Moore toxic so his loss in Alabama doesn't look so bad for Republicans. "We're real sorry to lose a Senate seat to a Democrat, but we'd have been even sorrier to have Roy Moore join the World's Greatest Deliberative Body identified as a Republican. Besides, we'll get another chance at this seat in 2020, and hopefully we'll have a better candidate then. Shouldn't be hard; maybe Sessions will be in a position to run by then?"

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
30. "Roy Moore maintains double-digit lead over Doug Jones, Senate poll says"
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:19 PM
Nov 2017
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_maintains_double-dig.html

A poll commissioned by Raycom News Network released Wednesday found that Republican Roy Moore is continuing to hold a significant lead over Democrat Doug Jones in Alabama's Senate race.

Conducted by Mobile-based Strategy Research, the poll said that Moore had 51 percent of support to 40 percent for Jones. And 9 percent of poll participants declared themselves undecided.

It's the exact same results from a poll last month commissioned by Raycom and conducted by Strategy Research.

Something triggered McConnell - Moore could be the poster child of the Republican Party in 2018?

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
44. And they need to be able to explain the loss
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:04 PM
Nov 2017

As having nothing to do with Republican policies and the declining appeal of culture-war issues.

Making it about Moore personally will help deflect blame away from the GOP and they will remind everyone that Trump backed Moore's primary opponent.

Whether McConnell had anything to do with this revelation is questionable, but it seems, the GOP leadership is not backing the "Liberal WP Fake News" angle. They want Moore to go away whether they believe the allegations or not and are willing to punt what would normally be a safe seat. That is itself a remarkable indicator of how bad things are for the Republicans.






 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
52. I think the Republican establish would rather Moore lose.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:33 PM
Nov 2017

Moore winning would embolden more alt right Roy Moore's to run in more states, in states that are more moderate that they can't win.

This is like when the Tea Party tried to take over the party and lost a bunch of senate elections with candidates like Christine O'Donnell. This time its Bannon though and the alt-right.

It would probably be better for Democrats if Moore won.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
36. The damn has been breaking. Weinstein, Spacey, and others. Now Moore.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:34 PM
Nov 2017

All of these men were serial predators years ago.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. He had massive power.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:48 PM
Nov 2017

Any woman that accused him would have gotten ground to hamburger. Now she gets heard.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
7. I thought the same thing. McTurtle could care less about sexual abuse issues.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:34 PM
Nov 2017

I wondered what his real motive was...

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
9. that's my thought also
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:36 PM
Nov 2017

but I believe it's true...they have just been holding the info for the right time to feed it to the WaPo

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
11. That doesn''t mean the allegations aren't true and I'd like to see that made clear
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:40 PM
Nov 2017

Whether the REPUG establishment picked this up on their own oppo research and are using it now to try to save themselves, does not mean the allegations aren't true. What woman would want to expose herself to the RW trolls and hatemongers?

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
14. McConnell released his statement almost immediately.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:45 PM
Nov 2017

Seriously, I saw the story break, and then disengaged from the news for a bit. When I came back, McConnell had already called on him to step down "if true."

I'm guessing McConnell had his statement ready before the story broke. If so, one explanation is that he got advance word of it dropping. The other possibility is that he was part of feeding the Post the story.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
42. Important point
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:03 PM
Nov 2017

The power-mongering repubertle was poised & drooling to jump all over this like rancid butter on burnt popcorn kernels.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
15. I disagree
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:47 PM
Nov 2017

McConnell is smart. If it had been an inside hit job, then he would have done it sooner. As it stands now, the GOP can't replace Moore on the ballot. There would have to be a write-in campaign and those rarely work.

I think this was just great reporting from WaPo.

stevil

(1,537 posts)
17. Don't agree
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:48 PM
Nov 2017

The GOP senators were quick to line up and make a statement though, usually they stay silent as long as possible on GOP scandals.

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
18. It does seem really odd for this to come out now if true.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:50 PM
Nov 2017

Why was it held back? It isn’t like this is the first time Moore has been using his piousness to win an election.

If the accusations are false, I almost feel sorry for the asshole.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
20. It's possible Moscow Mitch didn't know about the incident when Strange was running against Moore
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:00 PM
Nov 2017

That's really the only logical explanation. Had he known, this would have been unleashed then. No doubt about it.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
22. The accusations are not false..... The Washington Post researched it.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:05 PM
Nov 2017

It checked on the court date that is in the original story, and was the individual's mother in court that day for what it is alleged. My guess is that the Post also got witnesses who verified that these women told them about Judge Moore, friends, relatives, etc. of the accusers, long before publication. And..I would assume more than one witness for each individual ..that is more than one who supports and heard the accusations long ago..

I couldn't believe that the Washington Post, a reputable news source, would publish this if it were false..

The Harvey Weinstien story that the NY Times published also had to be true. (and is) You are not talking about some second class investigators.. If this had not been proven beyond doubt, the Times and the Post would not have published these stories.. Their reputations are worth more than some expose about sex. ..These are the leading news sources in the country... I would believe them more than some judge who disobeys the ruling of the Supreme Court.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
27. Not only that but Moore is not denying the other relationships with teenage girls so its not ...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:11 PM
Nov 2017

... far fetched he got one of the ages wrong.

The guy from Breibart was on and tried to skew away from those points

DAMANgoldberg

(1,278 posts)
41. I don't know for certain about the story's truth...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:58 PM
Nov 2017

However, I do know personally the main accuser in the story (went to HS with her). I also know the locales and descriptions of some of the details mentioned. Such as the restaurants involved, Gallant (western part of the county), Pizitz was a department store in the Gadsden Mall at that time (space currently occupied by Belk). Too many details covered that screams guilt or at least malfeasance.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
37. Never feel sorry for Moore. He wants gays imprisoned/executed
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:39 PM
Nov 2017

and does not support Separation of Church and State. He's pure evil.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
24. Uh... No...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:07 PM
Nov 2017

They would have preferred someone else but they'll take literally anyone with an R after their name over someone with a D.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
38. Not sure about that. Moore is the Bannon wing
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:40 PM
Nov 2017

and reports a couple weeks ago said Moore met with Senators and things didn't go well. He did not fit in. I think Moore would totally destroy the Republican wing in the Senate with his extremism and they're perfectly ok with dumping him and not giving Bannon the win.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
26. Here is how they will replace him
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:10 PM
Nov 2017

He will announce a deal has been made that if elected he will step down the next day and the governer will appointment (fill in whatever name here) to replace him, so when you vote for Moore you are really voting for (fill in the blank).

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
28. Here is the research the Washington Post did: (from a follow up story by CNN)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:15 PM
Nov 2017

From CNN.. at this link, 4 or 5 paragraphs down

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politics/roy-moore-senate/index.html

The situation is this: The Washington Post talked to 30 people for this story. They name -- and have spoken to -- four women who a) do not know each other b) did not contact the Post before the Post contacted them and c) all tell very similar stories about Moore's decades-ago approach and intentions. They confirm that one woman's mother was in an Alabama courtroom on the day the accuser said she first met Moore. (Her daughter was 14 at the time.)

This isn't just some story slap-dashed together by a news outlet you've never heard of before. This is a deeply reported piece in which the reporters are entirely transparent about how they came upon the story and reported it out. Only the most biased minds could read the Post story and conclude that it was a "hit piece" or some sort of partisan attack.

Stinky The Clown

(67,799 posts)
32. The only thing that changed is the story is now public.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:21 PM
Nov 2017

No one fabricated anything. They just dropped a dime on the good judge.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
43. Sounds like a plan the kremlin cooked up
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:09 PM
Nov 2017

so the repukes might will follow through on it...disposed as they are to Assume the Position for the darkside money mobsters of the icy-cold evil empire* russia.


* per ronald freakin reagan

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
34. It is before the main election...December 12...but you are saying before the primary?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:28 PM
Nov 2017

Perhaps the Post was still researching it at that time. Who knows the timing of this? Not me

samir.g

(835 posts)
39. Primary, since he wants his own guy to run in the general
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:40 PM
Nov 2017

If this fucks Moore in the general then it's good

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
45. Have you no respect for the victim? This is about sexual assault and a predator.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:15 PM
Nov 2017

Don't victims of sexual abuse have a right to come forward without being dismissed as liars or part of a political plot?

Stinky The Clown

(67,799 posts)
46. Wow, that's quite the accusation!
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:35 PM
Nov 2017

Have I no respect for the victim?

First, there were victimS. At least four of them.

Second, where do get off asking if I have no respect for them? Based on what, exactly?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
47. It does not matter
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:00 PM
Nov 2017

The republicans of Alabama have come to see us as Lucifer incarnate.

Moore will win by 10+ points.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
50. You nailed it. The calls for him to step down were too immediate.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:13 PM
Nov 2017

They coordinated on this. Already they are talking about gearing up for a Luther Strange write-in campaign.

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