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question everything

(47,486 posts)
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:06 PM Nov 2017

I supported Hillary in 2008 until she conceded

and, of course, voted for Obama, even made a small contribution.

And of course I supported her last year. And, at some point in 1998, a local reporter quoted me saying that each marriage is different and issues should be resolved by the partners.

We know that had she won the electoral college, she, and her staff, would have to fight the Republicans at every term. Flynn would still be leading the "lock her up" chants.

And yet - deep breath, don't know how long this post will stay - I'd hate to think how all the sexual harassment stories would be "compared" to Bill's.

Yesterday, that self promoting egocentric Chris Matthews brought Monica Lewinsky into the discussion. Oh, she was not 14..blah blah blah. And I am sure that many do the same.






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I supported Hillary in 2008 until she conceded (Original Post) question everything Nov 2017 OP
Who did Hillary Clinton harass? yardwork Nov 2017 #1
C'mon - you know she or us could not separate her from Bill (nt) question everything Nov 2017 #3
Take the bullshit somewhere else. yardwork Nov 2017 #4
Well said. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #9
Sure we could, and it would be very easy. Lil Missy Nov 2017 #19
It is karma time, so I say let the chips fall where they may. But Hillary is not a sexual abuser. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #2
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #5
Yes, but she is still not Bill. And she doesn't have to apologize, etc. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #7
Knowing the way the Republicans - led by Rush Limpdick have been behaving question everything Nov 2017 #8
There seems to be a shift, women are victims, not sexual abusers. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #12
Jesus Fucking Christ. nt LexVegas Nov 2017 #6
What the fuck is this shit right here. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #10
So, what did she do? xmas74 Nov 2017 #11
They were, and Lewinsky made that very clear in Vanity Fair. still_one Nov 2017 #14
Exactly. xmas74 Nov 2017 #18
Matews is an asshole who actually voted for George Bush jr. Bill Clinton was a reckless jerk what still_one Nov 2017 #13
That was one of my thoughts back in the 2016 primaries Lithos Nov 2017 #15
Clinton was investgated and only consensual relations were found with adults JI7 Nov 2017 #16
They'll do it anyway. Hillary (and Bill) were aware of that and not afraid of it lunamagica Nov 2017 #17

Irish_Dem

(47,128 posts)
2. It is karma time, so I say let the chips fall where they may. But Hillary is not a sexual abuser.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:09 PM
Nov 2017

She shouldn't have to answer for what some one else did.

And having sex with consenting adults is quite different from sexual assault.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)

Irish_Dem

(47,128 posts)
7. Yes, but she is still not Bill. And she doesn't have to apologize, etc.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:17 PM
Nov 2017

Yes, I think it was Kushner who brought in Clinton victims.

And if Bill is guilty of sexual assault he needs to face the music like every one else.

question everything

(47,486 posts)
8. Knowing the way the Republicans - led by Rush Limpdick have been behaving
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:20 PM
Nov 2017

throughout the Clinton administration, and after they left the White House, such explanation would not matter to them.

Irish_Dem

(47,128 posts)
12. There seems to be a shift, women are victims, not sexual abusers.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:25 PM
Nov 2017

I think it is going to be hard to really smear Hillary with Bill.
And Hillary says she is not running again, so she is bullet proof.
Doesn't matter to her anymore what the GOP talking heads blather about her.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
11. So, what did she do?
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:23 PM
Nov 2017

And I thought most of Bill's were with consenting adults. If not then he should answer to real charges.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
13. Matews is an asshole who actually voted for George Bush jr. Bill Clinton was a reckless jerk what
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:32 PM
Nov 2017

he did, and it was extremely cruel to Hillary. No doubt about it, his actions hurt the Democratic party by the media frenzy surrounding it, however, that relationship was consensual, and Monica Lewinsky made that very clear.

As usual, Matthews analysis, when he isn't spitting all over his guest is terribly flawed



Lithos

(26,403 posts)
15. That was one of my thoughts back in the 2016 primaries
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:45 PM
Nov 2017

However, once she won, in my heart of heart I *KNEW* that a bad day with her as President under constant attack by the Republicans and their noise machine would be *BETTER* than anything which would happen under Trump.

People need to realize there *IS* a huge moral and functional superiority of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. The waffling over Roy Moore is only the most recent example. People willing to overlook and even endorse a multiple paedophile (30+) over someone whose moral focus has been forged on their career of fighting bigotry speaks volumes. Silence to White Nationalists, attacks on the poor, disenfranchising along with the creation of tantamount Poll-taxes, the war against Women, Education, etc. And that's not the only examples.

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