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ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts) Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:34 PM Nov 2017

My unpopular opinion: "Veterans Day" should not have replaced "Armistice Day"

I'll start out with making one thing very clear: "I AM NOT OPPOSED TO A HOLIDAY TO HONOR OUR ARMED FORCES VETERANS". It should have been established for a different day.

November 11 was originally a day "To be dedicated to the cause of world peace and to be thereafter celebrated and known as 'Armistice Day'" When Congress amended the act in 1954, replacing "Armistice Day" with "Veterans Day", we lost a day that was dedicated to the cause of peace and remembrance of the victims of war - all the victims, not just military and not just Americans.

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My unpopular opinion: "Veterans Day" should not have replaced "Armistice Day" (Original Post) ThoughtCriminal Nov 2017 OP

Vet here and I think it ought to go back to Armistice Day Kaleva Nov 2017 #1

I agree gopiscrap Nov 2017 #2

I think we should still call the DOD the Department of War and the secretary of defense the brewens Nov 2017 #3

I'm In! ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #4

It does not offend this Vietnam vet. I am uncomfortable with "thank you for your wasupaloopa Nov 2017 #6

I like the idea. Celebrating Peace. bitterross Nov 2017 #5

I think it's a sin the way conservatives use a veteran's sacrifice as a shield to Baitball Blogger Nov 2017 #7

At least it is not observed on a Monday. Sneederbunk Nov 2017 #8

In my opinion, we should make Veteran's Day Election Day. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #9

I have had people wishing me... 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #10

I remember my dad - a WW2 vet - going off on this when it happened. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #11

I too think it should still be Armistice Day! burrowowl Nov 2017 #12

I did not know about that but after reading your post I completely agree. Doreen Nov 2017 #13

I'm a veteran, and I agree we should go back to Armistice Day. Aristus Nov 2017 #14

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)

1. Vet here and I think it ought to go back to Armistice Day

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:42 PM

Nov 2017

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)

2. I agree

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:44 PM

Nov 2017

brewens

(13,595 posts)

3. I think we should still call the DOD the Department of War and the secretary of defense the

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:46 PM

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secretary of war, just like we used to. As if it's all about defense now! Bullshit. We should call it what it is.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to hear Trump say that, but for stupid reasons.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)

4. I'm In!

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:47 PM

Nov 2017

Risking offending our DU vets, but enough!

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)

6. It does not offend this Vietnam vet. I am uncomfortable with "thank you for your

Reply to ProfessorGAC (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:03 PM

Nov 2017

service" which I have heard and read several times today. I did not fight for their freedom. I fought to stay alive.

People who have not been in war have no concept of how evil we can become. So thanking me for what ever they have in mind as to what I did somehow doesn't ring authentic to me. That isn't the right word but I haven't got the right word.

bitterross

(4,066 posts)

5. I like the idea. Celebrating Peace.

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 02:57 PM

Nov 2017

I would bet that a vast majority of veterans who have served in actual combat would not be offended at all. And the vets who were fortunate enough to not have to serve in combat might really appreciate that their lives were not put at risk for corporate profits and also not be offended.

The vets who wore the uniform for the pomp and circumstance the way 45 wears the Presidency will be offended. F'em both - 45 and the faux patriots who love war more than peace.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)

7. I think it's a sin the way conservatives use a veteran's sacrifice as a shield to

Reply to ThoughtCriminal (Original post)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:09 PM

Nov 2017

cut down on criticism against anything that is military related. I think it's a sin the way some, mostly conservative, retired military officers expect the same reverence and unquestioning respect in their civilian roles that they experienced in the military. They use it in ways that favor their good buddies and family members at the expense of everyone else. And I think it's time for the military to see how this incongruity is creating hostile environments in our communities.

It's a poor reflection on the military. A poor reflection of what we expect from retired officers.

Sneederbunk

(14,291 posts)

8. At least it is not observed on a Monday.

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:15 PM

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Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)

9. In my opinion, we should make Veteran's Day Election Day.

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 03:23 PM

Nov 2017

There is no greater tribute to our vets, and people will have the day off to vote.

We have two other holidays to honor veterans directly: Memorial Day and Independence Day.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)

10. I have had people wishing me...

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:28 PM

Nov 2017

...a "Happy Veterans' Day." Sounds weird, and inappropriate.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)

11. I remember my dad - a WW2 vet - going off on this when it happened.

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Sat Nov 11, 2017, 04:57 PM

Nov 2017

He was not well pleased.

I would like to see a return to Armistice Day. And I would also like to see us, as a culture, be more about honoring firefighters, teachers, EMT's, nurses, and others whose work contributes to the well being of all. Warriors are occasionally needed, but we give them far too much attention for doing what they do.