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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Roy Moore scandal once again shows why women fear to report sexual predation.
Every time there is a scandal involving a prominent man and unwilling partners, or victims to be precise, at a certain point the (mainly) female claimants are attacked and their motives are questioned.
We saw it with the Bill Cosby matter, where many questioned why the women waited, and others asked what the women hoped to gain. As if anything is gained by exposing oneself as a victim of sexual violence.
We are currently seeing it in the Roy Moore matter, where some GOP politicians openly defend the right of an older man to basically groom and assault a female. Others quote the Bible as an excuse for the sexual assaults.
We will see others attack the women by implying that they are doing this for the publicity, or for a cash settlement.
Others will talk of Moore's long and honorable career of public service.
In contrast, the millions of victims of sexual predators will once again see that if they do speak up, they too will be attacked by the enablers of sexual predation, and their stories will be sensationalized by the right wing media so that the actual victims are seen as the attackers and the predator will be painted as a good man unfairly victimized.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,636 posts)ALL of your points are correct.
It's a damn shame, too.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)this shaming of the victims enables and encourages other predators to continue their attacks. Even if every one who accused Moore filed a suit and won a settlement, their reputations have been maligned and a certain segment will see them as taking advantage of their attacker.
The classic type of no win situation.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)When it involves powerful men.
Great points
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)even in the case of the 18 year old woman, it is an unequal relationship.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Are they threatened by the exposure of the violence?
Do they have similar feelings?
tblue37
(65,403 posts)All of the reasons are ugly, though.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And tribalism as an us against them matter? Here, Alabama citizens versus the outsiders?
I understand.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)I assumed you asked why the jerks were doxxing victims. I was offering my guess about their ugly motivations for attacking the victims.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)My daughter was a server in a restaurant, and she was hugged and kissed by a patron. She talked about it to us and asked if she had done something, as if she somehow shared the blame. My wife and I assured her that it was all the fault of the aggressor.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)naturally assumed that "And why do you think that it happens" referred to the doxxing of victims by supporters of the predator, not to why victims don't report abuse--i.e., that you were asking why I think they dox the victims.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)They, conservative voters, ascribe malice to the accusers, the actual victims, while accepting without question the innocence of the accused. And this pattern repeats itself nearly every time a famous (generally male) person is accused of sexual predation.
Unless, of course, the accused is a Democrat.
syringis
(5,101 posts)It is not only in the US, it is everywhere.
I suppose DSK or Dominique Strauss Kahn will remind you something...
At the time of the Sofitel scandal, other women in France accused him. It went exactly as it is going for Moore's victim : liars, in search of their quarter fame, opportunists, trying to make easy money, etc.
I'm a woman and gladly, never had to undergo such horror. I can barely imagine the nightmare the victims are living and the strenght they need to try to get over. But I know it ruins their life, their self-estim is down, many fall in deep depression, some are demolished at the point where they cannot bear living...
Already victims, they are also victims of the system supposed to protects them...
The "excuses" given by Moore's supporters are just unsustainable !
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And his last victim, a service worker with a darker skin color. The same type of person who lives in the many banlieux surrounding large French cities. Racism, colonialism, and dominance fantasies all mixed together?
And DSK, like Moore, has a history of such accusations. A long history for DSK of preferring rough sex with perhaps unwilling partners. But Kahn was a very connected, very powerful man, and such people are always assumed to be innocent.
volstork
(5,402 posts)called "Cassandra Among the Creeps" and initially published in Harper's discusses this phenomenon at length:
"The story of Cassandra, the woman who told the truth but was not believed, is not nearly as embedded in our culture as that of the Boy Who Cried Wolf that is, the boy who was believed the first few times he told the same lie. Perhaps it should be. The daughter of the king of Troy, Cassandra was cursed with the gift of accurate prophecies no one heeded; her people thought she was both crazy and a liar and, in some accounts, locked her up before Agamemnon turned her into a concubine who was casually slain along with him.
I have been thinking of Cassandra as we sail through the choppy waters of the gender wars, because credibility is such a foundational power in those wars and because women are so often accused of being categorically lacking in this department.
Not uncommonly, when a woman says something that impugns a man, particularly a powerful one (not a black one unless hes just been nominated for the Supreme Court by a Republican president), or an institution, especially if it has to do with sex, the response will question not just the facts of her assertion but her capacity to speak and her right to do so. Generations of women have been told they are delusional, confused, manipulative, malicious, conspiratorial, congenitally dishonest, often all at once."
https://harpers.org/archive/2014/10/cassandra-among-the-creeps/
An important read, with content every woman will recognize. This is what we are fighting against. Perhaps we are beginning to make some headway...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Perhaps we are beginning to make progress, but to solve a problem it is first necessary to admit that there is a problem. And I do not yet see that no matter if the issue is racism or misogyny.
volstork
(5,402 posts)This particular essay is included in Solnit's book Men Explain Things to Me, the original manifesto on "mansplaining." I believe it is a work of genius.
I am hopeful that something is beginning to break open with regard to both racism and misogyny, that perhaps the wave is beginning to crest before it spills over, as it did with gay marriage. "The arc of history" and whatnot...
Perhaps I am deluded, but I want to have hope.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And speaking here of Sigmund Freud:
So we have something revealed, women being sexually assaulted, and rather than admit that they might be telling the truth, Freud chose to not listen because to listen would be to admit to an uncomfortable truth.
And it is uncomfortable, just as accusations of pedophilia and incest run counter to the myth of the happy family and loving adults who nurture children.
Again, thank you.
volstork
(5,402 posts)Have you ever read The Way We Never Were by Stephanie Coontz? In it, she puts the lie to the Ozzie and Harriet/Leave it to Beaver "normality" of post-war America, chronicling the dark underbelly of the "good old days." It is well-written and exhaustively researched; highly recommended.
I agree that there are many like Freud who refused to look at truths, primarily out of fear of what those truths revealed. Such people, and we see many in the news every day, would rather hide than deal with reality. Then there are those like Galileo, who discovered the truth that buried geocentrism, and could not turn from it: e pur si mouve.
There are more and more of us who cannot and will not turn from the truth.
Initech
(100,080 posts)These people were positively giddy over the downfall of Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey. They *STILL* push a completely insane theory that John Podesta ran a child sex ring under a DC pizza parlor's basement. Now one of their own is accused of some truly horrifying sex crimes and guess what? They're defending it! As long as the Values Voters are actively defending pedophilia, he's their problem!