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Why did Roy Moore stop? (Original Post) spotthebird Nov 2017 OP
Maybe busted by his wife, who gave him an ultimatum? nt Lisa0825 Nov 2017 #1
Best guess so far. nt spotthebird Nov 2017 #10
We don't know that he has stopped. Or he is now impotent and abuses in other ways. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #2
It seems like it did. spotthebird Nov 2017 #8
Generally predators don't stop cold turkey. Maybe something happened to make him Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #11
BINGO!!!! spotthebird Nov 2017 #13
Quite possible he picked on the wrong girl. And got some street justice. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #18
Or as a DA it was all hushed-up spotthebird Nov 2017 #27
Yes that is quite likely I think. And yes he would not stop, but just change his venue. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #28
Wild speculation on my part spotthebird Nov 2017 #30
It is not a bad guess given that predators don't usually stop. They may switch venues. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #38
Didn't he leave and go to Australia for a year or more? SharonAnn Nov 2017 #51
That is right, he can fly to southeast asia from there. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #60
My brother would have Ilsa Nov 2017 #32
I also suspect this. The whole town seems to have know what he was doing. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #40
Agree - he likely got a 12-gauge shoved up his nose . . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #92
I don't think impotence would stop him. trc Nov 2017 #44
Exactly, I said in an earlier post he would just change his method of abuse. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #45
No reason to think he did stop, elleng Nov 2017 #3
Years ago I had a thread deleted for saying that when anyone gets too religious around me malaise Nov 2017 #14
With you, mal. elleng Nov 2017 #16
I am a Christian Theist and I agree with you. TexasProgresive Nov 2017 #22
Yep malaise Nov 2017 #25
Actually, studies have demonstrated that some of the Hortensis Nov 2017 #35
On one of the other MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #29
That simple malaise Nov 2017 #34
"If you can spot it, you got it. "NT raccoon Nov 2017 #85
This guy's hyper religiosity sure was a cover up for his crimes. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #46
Yep malaise Nov 2017 #75
Sure has been a karma time this week! Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #91
I'm lovin' it malaise Nov 2017 #94
I know, we needed some of these buffoons to be exposed. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #95
Favorite Ralph Waldo Emerson quote: Ineeda Nov 2017 #81
Both quotes are connected malaise Nov 2017 #82
Excellent quote nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #90
ITA. Nt raccoon Nov 2017 #84
If I see a "Jesus Fish" on Bettie Nov 2017 #86
Or a WWJD bracelet malaise Nov 2017 #93
Who says he has? You never know..But also marriage might have been a factor. nt kydo Nov 2017 #4
He was married at the age of about 38, which might have cramped his style a bit. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #5
This guy likes the chase and stalking girls it sounds like. That was part of the turn Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #47
Who says he stopped? Hekate Nov 2017 #6
He got married (to a 24 year old when he was 38), found Jebus maxsolomon Nov 2017 #7
I am no psychologist. Blue_true Nov 2017 #65
Probably because, young women don't venture too close to him these days... dubyadiprecession Nov 2017 #9
Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #12
Thank you for the welcome spotthebird Nov 2017 #21
And predators rarely stop. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #23
I don't think he stopped MontanaMama Nov 2017 #15
And if they do........... MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #31
You know it. MontanaMama Nov 2017 #36
Sheroes, indeed!!!!!! MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #39
If he stopped it might be because he can't anymore liberal N proud Nov 2017 #17
Honestly, I worry about his children and grandchildren n/t Evergreen Emerald Nov 2017 #19
A 70 YO going after teens? That would be icky..... brooklynite Nov 2017 #20
It was icky 30+ years ago. nt spotthebird Nov 2017 #87
He probably... Mike Nelson Nov 2017 #24
Did he? RandySF Nov 2017 #26
Because he's not stupid. Captain Stern Nov 2017 #33
My guess? He got too old. (n/t) Iggo Nov 2017 #37
Yes .... diminishing probability that he would score.... magicarpet Nov 2017 #48
I just considered his MO: Hanging out at malls and HS football games to meet young girls. Iggo Nov 2017 #49
Risk/reward. He's an ugly, fat old man. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #41
They usually switch to family victims KWR65 Nov 2017 #42
His wife is 14 years younger then him. Kaleva Nov 2017 #43
In their wedding photo, she looks 12 years old. JMHO ecstatic Nov 2017 #54
She certainly looks younger then 24! Kaleva Nov 2017 #55
His wife looked like a teen. Blue_true Nov 2017 #101
He probably stopped doing it locally Mariana Nov 2017 #50
You may well be right. Predators do not just stop. They don't "learn better." Hekate Nov 2017 #69
no more recent people does not mean he ever stopped. remember it took 40 years for the recent mulsh Nov 2017 #52
I think his past is why he tries to over-correct and force his misguided zealotry on others ecstatic Nov 2017 #53
I'm sure he didn't stop. Nobody has stepped up yet, but I bet somebody will. BigDemVoter Nov 2017 #56
Me, too. Just because only 5 women have come forward (after being tracked down pnwmom Nov 2017 #63
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #57
I'm praying for the Lord Almighty to send you some common sense. Tatiana Nov 2017 #58
Welcome to DU although in your case I suspect Aloha definitely means both Hello and Goodbye. NT Midwestern Democrat Nov 2017 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #62
Four victims say he did. And multiple friends and relatives confirm their stories -- pnwmom Nov 2017 #61
Easier targets. Blue_true Nov 2017 #64
Or family members. GreenPartyVoter Nov 2017 #74
Yeah, that possibility also. Blue_true Nov 2017 #98
Switched to internet porn? LeftInTX Nov 2017 #66
I said upthread, I think he took his show on the road. Mariana Nov 2017 #67
How many vacations did he take? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73
It would be interesting to find that out, wouldn't it? Mariana Nov 2017 #76
I would look for trips to Thailand Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #80
These guys don't stop...and I hate to say it...there is always the family... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #97
Higher profile... Baconator Nov 2017 #68
The bottom line is whether he stopped or found another way to act on his compulsions, Grammy23 Nov 2017 #70
Why do you think he stopped? Rincewind Nov 2017 #71
What makes you think he stopped? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #72
Probably, getting married and having a political career. LostInAnomie Nov 2017 #77
Or he found easier targets that would not out him. Blue_true Nov 2017 #100
Later victims would still be younger, and may not be in safer positions. Amimnoch Nov 2017 #78
He became even more powerful get the red out Nov 2017 #79
He may have escalated and covered his tracks by killing his victims Not Ruth Nov 2017 #83
Being too famous to hang around malls without drawing media attention? Orsino Nov 2017 #88
With the Republicans jumping ship, there must be more spotthebird Nov 2017 #89
Theres no way of really knowing if he did stop justiceischeap Nov 2017 #96
He probably outsourced the job of getting them...... sunonmars Nov 2017 #99

spotthebird

(171 posts)
8. It seems like it did.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:39 PM
Nov 2017

maybe it didn't, but there should be a more recent trail unless he stopped. I believe the women, but it's strange that he must have stopped.

Irish_Dem

(47,324 posts)
11. Generally predators don't stop cold turkey. Maybe something happened to make him
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:43 PM
Nov 2017

stop. Perhaps he was threatened, or as I say is now impotent.

spotthebird

(171 posts)
27. Or as a DA it was all hushed-up
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:05 PM
Nov 2017

A victim went to the authorities. Moore was alerted by his coworkers. The problem was disappeared.

From then Moore then got his weird with his wife, or in international travel (speculation).

Irish_Dem

(47,324 posts)
28. Yes that is quite likely I think. And yes he would not stop, but just change his venue.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:08 PM
Nov 2017

He sounds way to intense, driven and obsessed sexually to just stop cold.
Yes he had the money to travel for child sex.

His wife wouldn't fill the bill. He likes young teens.

spotthebird

(171 posts)
30. Wild speculation on my part
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:14 PM
Nov 2017

about international satisfaction.

On the other hand, it's a very good explanation that Roy was very caught and was facing consequences when he stopped.

Irish_Dem

(47,324 posts)
60. That is right, he can fly to southeast asia from there.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:44 PM
Nov 2017

Child sex trade in some of the asian countries.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
32. My brother would have
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:18 PM
Nov 2017

ripped his nuts off if he had done that to me. So I think it is likely some high school boyfriends or girls' fathers had enough of his predatory behavior and threatened him.

Irish_Dem

(47,324 posts)
40. I also suspect this. The whole town seems to have know what he was doing.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:49 PM
Nov 2017

And brothers might have meted out some rough justice.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
92. Agree - he likely got a 12-gauge shoved up his nose . . . .
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:00 AM
Nov 2017

Accordingly, then decided to troll elsewhere - as mentioned above.

trc

(823 posts)
44. I don't think impotence would stop him.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:32 PM
Nov 2017

Dating much younger women (girls), especially teens, is about power and control, sex would not necessarily be how he gets off.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
14. Years ago I had a thread deleted for saying that when anyone gets too religious around me
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:48 PM
Nov 2017

I lock up my silver. It really was a metaphor for ny fear of the holier than thou - they always have something to hide. I never trust people who wear religion as a loud and vulgar badge

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Actually, studies have demonstrated that some of the
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:24 PM
Nov 2017

most loudly religious people violate religious doctrines routinely.

They're above needing to? I don't know. But I've never personally known someone prone to extremism who wasn't dishonest and untrustworthy by everyday standards. Dishonesty required to set aside all information that contradicts what they want to believe, and they march to their own supremely righteous drumbeat that justifies all their behaviors.

This is a big part of what's happened to the Republican Party--dark money powers, who also wanted to move the nation strongly right, found extremists useful for destroying traditional institutions and had a bunch of them elected to office.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
29. On one of the other
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:13 PM
Nov 2017

postings about "The Judge" that I had read - someone posted something about an old saying: (and I'm paraphrasing it because I don't have the time to go back and find it! )
"When someone is complaining about somebody doing" something - go back and find where they had done the same!"

Or, as I saw in a Monty Python film: "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone!"

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
81. Favorite Ralph Waldo Emerson quote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:33 AM
Nov 2017

"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
86. If I see a "Jesus Fish" on
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:06 AM
Nov 2017

an ad or website, I immediately cross that business off my list. To me, it's a red flag.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
5. He was married at the age of about 38, which might have cramped his style a bit.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:38 PM
Nov 2017

I doubt his wife was very enthusiastic about him hanging around the mall pestering high school girls. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more incidents, though, maybe with co-workers (if any of them were young enough).

Irish_Dem

(47,324 posts)
47. This guy likes the chase and stalking girls it sounds like. That was part of the turn
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:40 PM
Nov 2017

on. He would scope out girls at the mall and go after them.

maxsolomon

(33,384 posts)
7. He got married (to a 24 year old when he was 38), found Jebus
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:39 PM
Nov 2017

and began concentrating on ruining everyone's lives, not just teenage girls.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
65. I am no psychologist.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:23 AM
Nov 2017

But am not sure religion stops predators. It can make it easier for them to hide.

dubyadiprecession

(5,720 posts)
9. Probably because, young women don't venture too close to him these days...
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:40 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:09 PM - Edit history (1)

They can see from a mile away, that he is a dirty old man.

spotthebird

(171 posts)
21. Thank you for the welcome
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:01 PM
Nov 2017

Yes there is evidence to support a pattern of behavior in sexual predators. There is also strong supporting evidence of the witness.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
15. I don't think he stopped
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:48 PM
Nov 2017

until he was married...maybe. More women will come forward. Count on it.

Welcome to DU!

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
31. And if they do...........
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:17 PM
Nov 2017

there will be more grief put on them.
What tremendous courage these victims are showing for others - and their country.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
39. Sheroes, indeed!!!!!!
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:43 PM
Nov 2017

Perhaps this could be a serious, monumental time-changing moment when the rights of ALL will be acknowledged and people will understand what it is to be a "victim" - the rights of ALL will be declared and defended.
If that is to be the case, then special "THANKS!" to "the Judge" for being such an asshole and kicking off a great explosion of national awareness and allowing people of courage to stake their claim on the great human rights of all people!

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
33. Because he's not stupid.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:20 PM
Nov 2017

Well, he's no genius, but he's not a complete dumbass either.

As he got older, and realized that he had a shot at higher positions, he was at least smart enough to realize that shit like this could come back to haunt him. So, he got his act together. I have no doubt that he's still a scumbag on the inside, but he's probably been a really, really, careful scumbag for the last 25 years.

magicarpet

(14,164 posts)
48. Yes .... diminishing probability that he would score....
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:46 PM
Nov 2017

..... was much higher young to middle age.
As he got older he saw the return on his investment of the amount of time devoted to making a score with teenaged girls was longer and longer. As people became well aware what he was up to he needed less scrutiny or he was about to get bagged. The more people that were on to him the more attention his addiction got.

Father time caught up to him, as he aged and his libido subsided it was no longer worth the risk and danger to himself physically or to his career.

I wonder if during his 40's and 50's if he found God and dabbled in youth buy-bull studies or youth church adviser or some capacity as a youth chaperon. Did he use God and church as a motif to connect with young girls, but all under the guise of finding religion ?

The guy is a sick puppy - real evil resides within him - he is not the saint he professes to be to the world. This guy should come to terms with his daemons before he chastises and criticizes anyone else.

He needs to take a step back and heal himself - but not in the UNITED STATES SENATE.

It is no wonder his professor called him "Mr. Fruit Salad" - Roy Moore was as welcomed and admired as much as a 32 year old fruitcake proverbially regifted again and again come Xmas time. An odd duck looking for trouble - a closet pedophile and not so shy about it.

Iggo

(47,564 posts)
49. I just considered his MO: Hanging out at malls and HS football games to meet young girls.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:51 PM
Nov 2017

Easier at 32 than at 42 or 52.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
101. His wife looked like a teen.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:41 PM
Nov 2017

Women at the second diner say that he was after young girls and women seven years after he married. The guy is a predator, I would bet there are more recent victims who are terrified of coming forward and who can blame them after what happened to the first women that came forward.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
50. He probably stopped doing it locally
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:17 PM
Nov 2017

when he realized it would probably cost him his marriage, his job, his standing in the church, etc. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out he regularly went to Atlanta or some other city to go with prostitutes - possibly just very young looking ones, or maybe actual underage girls.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
52. no more recent people does not mean he ever stopped. remember it took 40 years for the recent
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:29 PM
Nov 2017

revelations.

ecstatic

(32,729 posts)
53. I think his past is why he tries to over-correct and force his misguided zealotry on others
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:31 PM
Nov 2017

He's a pedophile. He might still be fighting the urge everyday. So to deal with it, he turns to extreme fundamentalism. He wants to force that on others because he probably thinks the rest of us are as sick as he is. Guess what? I'm (generally) a good person even without the 10 commandments posted up at my house. But it might be literally the only thing keeping him from molesting someone new. SMH.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
63. Me, too. Just because only 5 women have come forward (after being tracked down
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:46 PM
Nov 2017

by the WA Post) doesn't mean there weren't additional victims.

Response to spotthebird (Original post)

Response to Midwestern Democrat (Reply #59)

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
61. Four victims say he did. And multiple friends and relatives confirm their stories --
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:45 PM
Nov 2017

people the victims confided in at the time.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
64. Easier targets.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:17 AM
Nov 2017

Went from girls that hang out at malls to closeted, deeply religious girls that are more likely to show deference to him and also keep their mouth shut. If one comes out, he is done. Predators don't stop.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
98. Yeah, that possibility also.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:29 PM
Nov 2017

I hope some of his recent victims show courage while that display seriously matters.

LeftInTX

(25,525 posts)
66. Switched to internet porn?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:48 AM
Nov 2017

There are adults (18 yo) who look much younger who do porn.
It's not child porn, but they are advertised as "Teen girls".

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
67. I said upthread, I think he took his show on the road.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:59 AM
Nov 2017

Cleaned up his act locally, and went elsewhere to pick up girls anonymously. He probably had to pay for them anyway, once he got past a certain age.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
73. How many vacations did he take?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:29 AM
Nov 2017

We know that in poor countries...they sell their kids for sex (hell it has happened here ).

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
76. It would be interesting to find that out, wouldn't it?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:07 AM
Nov 2017

Although I suspect he only likes them lily white. There may have been more frequent trips closer to home, but out of state where he'd be unlikely to be recognized. Atlanta and Nashville come to mind.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
80. I would look for trips to Thailand
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:57 AM
Nov 2017

That has always been the sec tourism destination of choice for those who like children.

And my experience growing up is the racists of his stripe would date a black or Hispanic woman but are fine with Asian or native.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
70. The bottom line is whether he stopped or found another way to act on his compulsions,
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:53 AM
Nov 2017

he more than likely committed the acts in the 1970s that the ladies reported over the last week. Even if he never molested or sexually assaulted a single woman after that time, he is still guilty of the original acts. So he needs to be held accountable by the public, even if there are no real legal remedies. If a person robbed a bank or killed someone and got away with it for years, would we overlook it just because a long time has gone by? Hell, no! And in the case of the 5 women (so far) who have come forward, they were harmed psychologically and emotionally and some measure of justice needs to be made. Even if it is simply sharing their story and being believed.

The discussion on whether he has stopped his crimes gives us plenty to speculate about but until someone from the recent past comes forward, we may not know the answer to that part of this sordid tale. Meantime, let’s encourage any other women out there with information or stories that lend weight to the 5 women to come forward and tell what they know. Bill Cosby’s real troubles began when there were just too many to dismiss them and their stories.

LostInAnomie

(14,428 posts)
77. Probably, getting married and having a political career.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:22 AM
Nov 2017

He had more to lose.

It's harder to go after young girls when you are in the public eye. When your whole shtick is Bible thumping and Jeezus praising, getting caught with an undressed 14 year old is a career killer.

In his mind he probably chalks that whole period of his life to "sowing his wild oats".

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
100. Or he found easier targets that would not out him.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:33 PM
Nov 2017

Girls from his church where he is a big shot, young friends of any daughters that he has. People like him just don't stop cold turkey.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
78. Later victims would still be younger, and may not be in safer positions.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:33 AM
Nov 2017

It took the women who did come forward decades of silence, a national environment where women are coming forward in large numbers to name their assaulter's, and even then for investigative journalists to hear the rumors and follow up on them. Even then, other victims are likely seeing the way their fellow Alabamians are reacting and I doubt that is giving them courage to come forth themselves.

Younger women aren't as likely to have the financial and social security that these women have. They might be hanging on day to day at the jobs they are in and are afraid they will lose their job if they come forth. If they are homemakers, they may fear for their husbands employment. They may be more dependent on family members whom they know are staunch Moore supporters.

There's also more sinister possibilities. What's his travel history to countries that are known to be more permissive of human trafficking? Is there a currently un-linked chain of teen female unsolved disappearances in Alabama that circumstantially started in the years after these ladies were assaulted? It's very clear that as DA and judge he wielded a lot of power, and acted with impunity.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
79. He became even more powerful
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:56 AM
Nov 2017

If he can scare girls into silence as a DA, imagine the silence he can command as a judge.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
88. Being too famous to hang around malls without drawing media attention?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:57 AM
Nov 2017

Being married?

Having a scare?

He may actually have rationalized his sickness as okay because he stopped when he took on the bonds of matrimony, or some stupid shit like that.

spotthebird

(171 posts)
89. With the Republicans jumping ship, there must be more
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:57 AM
Nov 2017

to come. Or internal polling that proves there isn't a prayer Moore will win.

I'm beginning to wonder if the coming elections are going to be honest.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
96. Theres no way of really knowing if he did stop
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:13 AM
Nov 2017

However, I’d love the FBI to get a look at his computer. It’s possible with the advent of the internet he changed how he got his jollies.

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