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Last edited Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:48 AM - Edit history (1)
There is no doubt about the truth of the accusations, but why haven't more recent victims come forward? These people don't change, so what happened?
Fear?
Edited for clarity.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)spotthebird
(171 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)spotthebird
(171 posts)maybe it didn't, but there should be a more recent trail unless he stopped. I believe the women, but it's strange that he must have stopped.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)stop. Perhaps he was threatened, or as I say is now impotent.
spotthebird
(171 posts)A victim made it real. Reconstructing that will be hard, but not impossible.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)spotthebird
(171 posts)A victim went to the authorities. Moore was alerted by his coworkers. The problem was disappeared.
From then Moore then got his weird with his wife, or in international travel (speculation).
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)He sounds way to intense, driven and obsessed sexually to just stop cold.
Yes he had the money to travel for child sex.
His wife wouldn't fill the bill. He likes young teens.
spotthebird
(171 posts)about international satisfaction.
On the other hand, it's a very good explanation that Roy was very caught and was facing consequences when he stopped.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)SharonAnn
(13,778 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)Child sex trade in some of the asian countries.
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)ripped his nuts off if he had done that to me. So I think it is likely some high school boyfriends or girls' fathers had enough of his predatory behavior and threatened him.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)And brothers might have meted out some rough justice.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Accordingly, then decided to troll elsewhere - as mentioned above.
trc
(823 posts)Dating much younger women (girls), especially teens, is about power and control, sex would not necessarily be how he gets off.
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)elleng
(131,077 posts)and/or when.
malaise
(269,157 posts)I lock up my silver. It really was a metaphor for ny fear of the holier than thou - they always have something to hide. I never trust people who wear religion as a loud and vulgar badge
elleng
(131,077 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Blow hards no matter their shtick are trouble.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)most loudly religious people violate religious doctrines routinely.
They're above needing to? I don't know. But I've never personally known someone prone to extremism who wasn't dishonest and untrustworthy by everyday standards. Dishonesty required to set aside all information that contradicts what they want to believe, and they march to their own supremely righteous drumbeat that justifies all their behaviors.
This is a big part of what's happened to the Republican Party--dark money powers, who also wanted to move the nation strongly right, found extremists useful for destroying traditional institutions and had a bunch of them elected to office.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)postings about "The Judge" that I had read - someone posted something about an old saying: (and I'm paraphrasing it because I don't have the time to go back and find it! )
"When someone is complaining about somebody doing" something - go back and find where they had done the same!"
Or, as I saw in a Monty Python film: "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone!"
malaise
(269,157 posts)raccoon
(31,119 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)and now here comes the truth
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)I love the smell of hypocrites being exposed in public
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)At long last.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."
malaise
(269,157 posts)Perfect
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)Bettie
(16,121 posts)an ad or website, I immediately cross that business off my list. To me, it's a red flag.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Run!
kydo
(2,679 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)I doubt his wife was very enthusiastic about him hanging around the mall pestering high school girls. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more incidents, though, maybe with co-workers (if any of them were young enough).
Irish_Dem
(47,324 posts)on. He would scope out girls at the mall and go after them.
Hekate
(90,779 posts)#MeToo
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)and began concentrating on ruining everyone's lives, not just teenage girls.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But am not sure religion stops predators. It can make it easier for them to hide.
dubyadiprecession
(5,720 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:09 PM - Edit history (1)
They can see from a mile away, that he is a dirty old man.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But is there any evidence to support this assumption?
spotthebird
(171 posts)Yes there is evidence to support a pattern of behavior in sexual predators. There is also strong supporting evidence of the witness.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Except when they are jailed.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)until he was married...maybe. More women will come forward. Count on it.
Welcome to DU!
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)there will be more grief put on them.
What tremendous courage these victims are showing for others - and their country.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)I bow to them. They are sheroes!
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)Perhaps this could be a serious, monumental time-changing moment when the rights of ALL will be acknowledged and people will understand what it is to be a "victim" - the rights of ALL will be declared and defended.
If that is to be the case, then special "THANKS!" to "the Judge" for being such an asshole and kicking off a great explosion of national awareness and allowing people of courage to stake their claim on the great human rights of all people!
liberal N proud
(60,340 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)brooklynite
(94,713 posts)spotthebird
(171 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...just petered out.
RandySF
(59,167 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Well, he's no genius, but he's not a complete dumbass either.
As he got older, and realized that he had a shot at higher positions, he was at least smart enough to realize that shit like this could come back to haunt him. So, he got his act together. I have no doubt that he's still a scumbag on the inside, but he's probably been a really, really, careful scumbag for the last 25 years.
Iggo
(47,564 posts)magicarpet
(14,164 posts)..... was much higher young to middle age.
As he got older he saw the return on his investment of the amount of time devoted to making a score with teenaged girls was longer and longer. As people became well aware what he was up to he needed less scrutiny or he was about to get bagged. The more people that were on to him the more attention his addiction got.
Father time caught up to him, as he aged and his libido subsided it was no longer worth the risk and danger to himself physically or to his career.
I wonder if during his 40's and 50's if he found God and dabbled in youth buy-bull studies or youth church adviser or some capacity as a youth chaperon. Did he use God and church as a motif to connect with young girls, but all under the guise of finding religion ?
The guy is a sick puppy - real evil resides within him - he is not the saint he professes to be to the world. This guy should come to terms with his daemons before he chastises and criticizes anyone else.
He needs to take a step back and heal himself - but not in the UNITED STATES SENATE.
It is no wonder his professor called him "Mr. Fruit Salad" - Roy Moore was as welcomed and admired as much as a 32 year old fruitcake proverbially regifted again and again come Xmas time. An odd duck looking for trouble - a closet pedophile and not so shy about it.
Iggo
(47,564 posts)Easier at 32 than at 42 or 52.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)At some point, he would have to stop trying his usual scam.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)Kaleva
(36,332 posts)They were married in 1988.
ecstatic
(32,729 posts)Kaleva
(36,332 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Women at the second diner say that he was after young girls and women seven years after he married. The guy is a predator, I would bet there are more recent victims who are terrified of coming forward and who can blame them after what happened to the first women that came forward.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)when he realized it would probably cost him his marriage, his job, his standing in the church, etc. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out he regularly went to Atlanta or some other city to go with prostitutes - possibly just very young looking ones, or maybe actual underage girls.
Hekate
(90,779 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)revelations.
ecstatic
(32,729 posts)He's a pedophile. He might still be fighting the urge everyday. So to deal with it, he turns to extreme fundamentalism. He wants to force that on others because he probably thinks the rest of us are as sick as he is. Guess what? I'm (generally) a good person even without the 10 commandments posted up at my house. But it might be literally the only thing keeping him from molesting someone new. SMH.
BigDemVoter
(4,156 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)by the WA Post) doesn't mean there weren't additional victims.
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Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Midwestern Democrat
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pnwmom
(108,990 posts)people the victims confided in at the time.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Went from girls that hang out at malls to closeted, deeply religious girls that are more likely to show deference to him and also keep their mouth shut. If one comes out, he is done. Predators don't stop.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I hope some of his recent victims show courage while that display seriously matters.
LeftInTX
(25,525 posts)There are adults (18 yo) who look much younger who do porn.
It's not child porn, but they are advertised as "Teen girls".
Mariana
(14,860 posts)Cleaned up his act locally, and went elsewhere to pick up girls anonymously. He probably had to pay for them anyway, once he got past a certain age.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)We know that in poor countries...they sell their kids for sex (hell it has happened here ).
Mariana
(14,860 posts)Although I suspect he only likes them lily white. There may have been more frequent trips closer to home, but out of state where he'd be unlikely to be recognized. Atlanta and Nashville come to mind.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)That has always been the sec tourism destination of choice for those who like children.
And my experience growing up is the racists of his stripe would date a black or Hispanic woman but are fine with Asian or native.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Baconator
(1,459 posts)... But he probably didn't stop.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)he more than likely committed the acts in the 1970s that the ladies reported over the last week. Even if he never molested or sexually assaulted a single woman after that time, he is still guilty of the original acts. So he needs to be held accountable by the public, even if there are no real legal remedies. If a person robbed a bank or killed someone and got away with it for years, would we overlook it just because a long time has gone by? Hell, no! And in the case of the 5 women (so far) who have come forward, they were harmed psychologically and emotionally and some measure of justice needs to be made. Even if it is simply sharing their story and being believed.
The discussion on whether he has stopped his crimes gives us plenty to speculate about but until someone from the recent past comes forward, we may not know the answer to that part of this sordid tale. Meantime, lets encourage any other women out there with information or stories that lend weight to the 5 women to come forward and tell what they know. Bill Cosbys real troubles began when there were just too many to dismiss them and their stories.
Rincewind
(1,205 posts)He could have continued forhttps://www.democraticunderground.com/10141913511 years, or still be doing it.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)LostInAnomie
(14,428 posts)He had more to lose.
It's harder to go after young girls when you are in the public eye. When your whole shtick is Bible thumping and Jeezus praising, getting caught with an undressed 14 year old is a career killer.
In his mind he probably chalks that whole period of his life to "sowing his wild oats".
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Girls from his church where he is a big shot, young friends of any daughters that he has. People like him just don't stop cold turkey.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)It took the women who did come forward decades of silence, a national environment where women are coming forward in large numbers to name their assaulter's, and even then for investigative journalists to hear the rumors and follow up on them. Even then, other victims are likely seeing the way their fellow Alabamians are reacting and I doubt that is giving them courage to come forth themselves.
Younger women aren't as likely to have the financial and social security that these women have. They might be hanging on day to day at the jobs they are in and are afraid they will lose their job if they come forth. If they are homemakers, they may fear for their husbands employment. They may be more dependent on family members whom they know are staunch Moore supporters.
There's also more sinister possibilities. What's his travel history to countries that are known to be more permissive of human trafficking? Is there a currently un-linked chain of teen female unsolved disappearances in Alabama that circumstantially started in the years after these ladies were assaulted? It's very clear that as DA and judge he wielded a lot of power, and acted with impunity.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)If he can scare girls into silence as a DA, imagine the silence he can command as a judge.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Being married?
Having a scare?
He may actually have rationalized his sickness as okay because he stopped when he took on the bonds of matrimony, or some stupid shit like that.
spotthebird
(171 posts)to come. Or internal polling that proves there isn't a prayer Moore will win.
I'm beginning to wonder if the coming elections are going to be honest.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)However, Id love the FBI to get a look at his computer. Its possible with the advent of the internet he changed how he got his jollies.