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garybeck

(9,942 posts)
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 07:24 PM Nov 2017

Why aren't the "progressive" news outlets talking about Franken's military escort & photo metadata?

I read here on DU yesterday some interesting things about the Franken story:

-Franken had a military escort on the trip whose job it was to stay with him every waking moment and report anything inappropriate:
"I even stayed with him in the bathroom...If I saw anything that was inappropriate, it was my job to report it."




-And as well there are some questions about the timeline of the accuser's story because she says the photo was taken at a certain time and someone found the timestamp/metadata on the photo and it doesn't match what she says
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029857579

I read these articles last night and expected to hear about this on NPR this morning when I had to drive a couple hours.

nothing about it.

so I when I got back home I checked my regular "lefty" news outlets, HuffPost, RawStory, TPM, ....

nothing about it.

WTF? I would think this is newsworthy. You don't have to take sides to report on something factual. You shouldn't be afraid to report something. Isn't that what news and journalism is supposed to be? I mean I could understand CNN keeping distance from this information at first, but shouldn't the lefty outlets be reporting this?
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Why aren't the "progressive" news outlets talking about Franken's military escort & photo metadata? (Original Post) garybeck Nov 2017 OP
Because it is not "progressive" to disbelieve someone with ovaries. Have you been away from rzemanfl Nov 2017 #1
well i hope that if this is true that Franken doesn't just roll over. garybeck Nov 2017 #3
That woman has no desire to testify under oath. Guess why? n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #10
if Franken had an escort, wouldn't she have one as well? Would love to hear that person's story. garybeck Nov 2017 #17
I hadn't thought of that. I'd love to too. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #18
If they just laid out the facts they'd have nothing to fill airtime. underpants Nov 2017 #2
BUT, it would add to the drama if they discussed these facts. nt garybeck Nov 2017 #4
Has the authenticity of the alleged security escorts account been verified? Marengo Nov 2017 #5
isn't that what the media usually does? check sources... report.... ? n/t garybeck Nov 2017 #7
Thats what Ive been waiting for, but so far nothing unless I missed it. Marengo Nov 2017 #9
Look out--here they come. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #6
who? garybeck Nov 2017 #15
DUers he disagrees with. pintobean Nov 2017 #31
Ah, that's yesterday's news PJMcK Nov 2017 #8
Who is "Tabbasco" former9thward Nov 2017 #11
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions n/t garybeck Nov 2017 #12
i guess on Twitter you don't have to post your actual name? i'm not on twitter, but if garybeck Nov 2017 #16
The metadata doesn't prove anything for sure because there could be an explanation. LisaL Nov 2017 #13
I agree. I just think there are serious questions worth investigating. n/t garybeck Nov 2017 #14
If it was a professional photographer, the metadata would be correct womanofthehills Nov 2017 #23
Bill Press talked about it for about an hour Friday morning. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #19
Franken acknowledged the photo and apologized for the behavior depicted therein. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #20
Yes and Franken is calling for a full investigation, so perhaps these people will have relevance Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #21
He asked the ethics commission to investigate his behavior Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #25
He has publicly asserted that he remembers the rehearsal kiss differently. Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #33
Correct, Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #34
the metadata shows it was photoshopped the day after Franken won his senate seat womanofthehills Nov 2017 #24
So what? Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #26
Wouldn't it have been more effective pintobean Nov 2017 #32
Ok, I'll bite since I basically agree with you (I think) ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #22
Because there are hundreds of programs that let anyone edit EXIF data Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #27
Doing a USO tour in itself LiberalBrooke Nov 2017 #28
We saw the photo of mock grabbing, and picture of kissing. That is not in dispute. SandyZ Nov 2017 #29
Good question. We've heard about 50 witnesses in the Roy Moore flap who back the story of the women, Vinca Nov 2017 #30

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
3. well i hope that if this is true that Franken doesn't just roll over.
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 07:31 PM
Nov 2017

if it's true, he knows it's true. and he understands the razors edge he is walking on but he can't just roll over. hopefully behind the scenes he is getting his ducks in order and in the senate "investigation" the facts will come out.

underpants

(182,830 posts)
2. If they just laid out the facts they'd have nothing to fill airtime.
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 07:30 PM
Nov 2017

Drama sells and images of her will keep this going for a while. I won't be surprised if she ends up on Fox News.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
11. Who is "Tabbasco"
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 08:25 PM
Nov 2017

Someone on Twitter claiming to be "Franken's escort officer"? No one is going to be following around someone into the bathroom. It is fake.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
16. i guess on Twitter you don't have to post your actual name? i'm not on twitter, but if
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 09:41 PM
Nov 2017

i was a journalist i would contact this guy and see if there is a story to this.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
13. The metadata doesn't prove anything for sure because there could be an explanation.
Sat Nov 18, 2017, 09:25 PM
Nov 2017

If the camera's time wasn't set correctly, the date will be off.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
23. If it was a professional photographer, the metadata would be correct
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:15 AM
Nov 2017

Why do we not know who the photographer was? is? Was he paid off not to talk.

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
20. Franken acknowledged the photo and apologized for the behavior depicted therein.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:04 AM
Nov 2017

The accuser accepted the apology. If the parties involved in the alleged abuse aren't arguing about it, particularly since Franken isn't arguing about it, what the metadata or the escort has no relevance at all.

The progressive media, and DU as well, should be taking their lead from Franken.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
21. Yes and Franken is calling for a full investigation, so perhaps these people will have relevance
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:10 AM
Nov 2017

after all.

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
25. He asked the ethics commission to investigate his behavior
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:13 AM
Nov 2017

To the extent there is relevance, it will be if or when there is a commission. Is he publicly asserting he did not do these things, and asking the ethics commission to find him innocent? Hint: self-reporting to ethics bodies are not made by people saying I didn't do it. They are made as an acknowledgement that something happened, and self-reporting is better than being dragged in.

What he is NOT doing is trying this in the press or asking others to do so on his behalf. Follow his lead.

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
34. Correct,
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 02:03 PM
Nov 2017

But he has not explained how he viewed it, denied it happened, or tried to minimize her experience of it.

As I've said before, we need to follow his lead on it.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
24. the metadata shows it was photoshopped the day after Franken won his senate seat
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:28 AM
Nov 2017


The accuser accepted the apology because she probably knew damaging photos of her would be coming out.

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
26. So what?
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:16 AM
Nov 2017

Franken has acknowledged the behavior in the photoshop - if it showed something dramatically different from what occurred, he would have issued a disclaimer as he did to the account of what happenned backstage. Whether or why someone altered it later doesn't really matter if it is an accurate depiction of what happened.

He is not asking us to fight this battle - follow his lead.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
22. Ok, I'll bite since I basically agree with you (I think)
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:14 AM
Nov 2017

Yes, Franken has apologized and everyone wants to forgive and forget. However, doing so lets Hannity of the hook a little too easily. So unless there is something else that can be revealed as "sinister" about Franken, why not push the RW agenda behind this story? The only other reason would be to "focus on Dotard's Russia scandal" which is always the fall back excuse, and it's getting to be a rather lame excuse at that.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
27. Because there are hundreds of programs that let anyone edit EXIF data
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 11:30 AM
Nov 2017

I can take a picture taken right now and edit that data using any of hundreds of programs to show it was taken or altered any day I want.

 

SandyZ

(186 posts)
29. We saw the photo of mock grabbing, and picture of kissing. That is not in dispute.
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 12:48 PM
Nov 2017

Franken apologized for the mock grabbing and said differing opinion on the kissing.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
30. Good question. We've heard about 50 witnesses in the Roy Moore flap who back the story of the women,
Sun Nov 19, 2017, 01:16 PM
Nov 2017

but for whatever reason it appears to be "unseemly" to produce witnesses who seem to be refuting a false allegation against a man. This is the same media that treated Trump accusers as if they must be lying. Anyone heard any updates on the Summer Zervos case in the media without diving deep to find an obscure reporter or blog?

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