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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow long will we tolerate being told lies by 45 and the GOP, while they grin and expect us believe?
Reminds me of an old saying, "How do you know when a Republican is lying? His lips are moving."
Lies and deceit are so commonplace nowadays, that Americans have stopped believing in the truth.
Take these tax cuts for example. The GOP literally SHOVES their lies and greed down our throats,
expecting to gladly sip it up as if they were feeding us chicken soup for the soul. When the truth
is they just cleaned up the barnyard droppings and are serving it to us steaming hot.
So, tell me please... When and where is the breaking point? or are we just getting what we deserve
for our apathy? or is it a simple matter of shell shock and we've just grown numb to the constant
attack of insanity?
TEB
(12,863 posts)I hope as we all hope for 2018
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Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)the republicans are - obviously - totally cool with lies. As they have demonstrated systematically, lying is a "republican family value." Republicans even put a small-minded republican Perjurer General in power to cement their embrace of falsehoods.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)Hell, I was in Kindergarten when Nixon was running for reelection and knew hew as a raging POS, and that is no lie.
What is also no lie is, while I knew that, I remember being amazed that at least half of my classmates liked the MFer.
I remember being in the gym just after college and they had Rush blaring, thinking who is this idiot gasbag and who are all of these evil "limeosean liberals he keeps babbling about." But, again, came to the realization that they reason they had him on the radio instead of Guns and Roses and the usual gym rock fair was ... because people were lapping it up.
I have had heartburn my entire adult life from republican bullshit - how they treated Clinton in the 90s, propping up W as "a guy you would like to have a beer with" while negatively framing the smart, accomplished Gore. Swiftboating Kerry, how they ginned themselves up to a completely disassociative state over BHO and now of course 45 ...
The problem is that this country is dumb as shit, first off, and second that our general standard of living is so high now that 1/3 of the country totally buys this bullshit and 1/3 of the country is in PTSD over it.
So, to answer the question, they are going going to keep doing it and you, me and our 1/3 are going to keep bashing our heads off the wall over it.
Martin Eden
(12,873 posts)I was one of two who voted for Humphrey.
6 voted for Nixon.
18 voted for Wallace.
When MLK was assassinated earlier that year it was a very sad day in my family. When I went to school the next day there was an air of celebration.
My classmates were a reflection of their parents in our working class neighborhood on the far southwest side of Chicago.
Racism is a big part of the rightwing vote. Until Trump it had been mostly beneath the surface, but now they're emboldened to march in the streets carrying torches.
Hatred trumps any rational thought about economic interests, and that includes the "Christian" right that spits on the teachings of Jesus with their religiosity of intolerance and greed.
I just don't get it - it is all complete bullshit, you, me and 1/3 of the country seems immune to it.
But, 1/3 of the country full on allows itself to be used by having the Rs and their conservative media whores channel their biases and hatreds, and the "middle" 1/3 is not as full on board with it, but most often leans that direction.
We are pushing mud ...
brush
(53,801 posts)I think it'll be us as the tide is turning against the lying repugs witness the Virginia election, and I believe Moore is going to get swamped as well.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)I have seen a few cycles of this now.
The big wave that gave these assholes the House in 94, that stuck until 06, and it took Bushco lying the country into the Iraq debacle for the country to give them a timeout.
Which lasted four years, and after they threw a massive hissy fit over BHO winning/passing THEIR GOD DAMNED VERSION OF HEALTH CARE REFORM, the middle third saw fit to give them all of the power back.
FOUR YEARS over the last three decades the people of this country timed these assholes out, and for no good reason decided to give it back to them, and they were were bigger assholes than before.
NOW, it has taken the worst POTUS this country has ever seen - 100 percent corrupt generally, a complete sell out to Russia, and an endless jackass publically, to maybe give us a chance to get the House out of R hands.
From Nixon and Watergate, to Reagen and Iran contra (not even taking into account Nixon fucking around with Vietnam to get elected/Reagen fucking around with the Iran hostages to get elected), then W lying us into Iraq, the trend has been that their fuckups have been worse and they have seen less consquences for them.
brush
(53,801 posts)FM123
(10,054 posts)Most days I am angry and am empowered to fight back, but there are days when it is coming at us like an avalanche and I feel buried by it and can't breathe.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Dump the "we." Our problem is the intense corruption of the Republican Party, which now extends from top to bottom.
Of course, the far left is always a perennial problem in any era. If too many of those hadn't eagerly swallowed and spread right-wing lies in 2016 (and still in 2017 also), Democrats would be in charge of the federal government now, and the Republicans would be the minority party. So those people "own" trumpistan also.
Even though they'e a small minority, invidious right wing and Russian interests have been pumping them up as much as possible in the run-up to 2018. It's going to be very important for young voters to realize the rule-or-ruin types trying to get Democrats out of government are radical/extremist by nature and not at all the more highly principled species they pretend to be.
Progressive Howard Dean was forced to sever connection with the organization he founded to fight for progressive solutions when they flooded in.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Manufacturing consent is being tested to its limits, that's for sure.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)In fear of exposure of crimes/lies. We have to back our elected, they are speaking for us. We have to push the free-press to keep asking questions- they ask questions for US.
In todays world IMO, we need to flood government with phone calls/faxes/letters, they count those. And posts to only- official government twitter, not the personal twitter-that's just a swamp for fun feeding trolls..
0rganism
(23,960 posts)they can lie like rugs and people vote for them. they can commit endless acts of serial sexual assault and people vote for them. hell, they can run known pedophiles and people STILL vote for them.
why would they give a crap when they never face consequences?