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greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
1. So now medicare begins at 64 years 3 months?
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 07:26 PM
Nov 2017

and the social security ages are lowered by 9 months? How about the drinking age?

TheBlackAdder

(28,210 posts)
2. Do you get a SSN, claim it as a deduction on your taxes and can buy child life insurance, etc too?
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 07:26 PM
Nov 2017

If no, it's not a person.

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
4. Absolutely, need to push the Social Security angle
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 07:29 PM
Nov 2017

and any benefits from signing up to get a Social Security number.

Tikki

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
3. If that is true, it is doomed to fail..guaranteed.
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 07:27 PM
Nov 2017

If it contains an anti-abortion clause. It will not pass the senate. No matter what Trump and the Republicans do.. That is my opinion.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
13. Why? why won't it pass?
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:23 PM
Nov 2017

Because GOP Senators are so reasonable & pro-choice?

Trump is in office because single-issue anti-abortion Christians put him there. I am related to several of them in Ohio. They expect results this time.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
5. Well, there's always this:
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 07:44 PM
Nov 2017
Americans United Denounces House Tax Bill That Undermines The Johnson Amendment And Public Schools
Legislation Turns Nonprofits, Including Houses Of Worship, Into Tax-Exempt Partisan Campaign Organizations; Expands School Voucher-Like Program

Nov 16, 2017

Americans United for Separation of Church and State today criticized the U.S. House of Representatives for passing H.R. 1, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which would essentially repeal the Johnson Amendment. This 63-year-old provision in federal law protects the integrity of our elections and tax-exempt nonprofits, including houses of worship, by ensuring the organizations don’t endorse or oppose candidates for public office.

The tax bill also includes a provision that would transform 529 college savings plans into a voucher-like program, giving tax breaks for K-12 private school tuition. This would redirect vital tax dollars that could fund our public schools to private schools instead.

“The tax bill threatens the integrity of our elections and all of our tax-exempt organizations. No one wants to turn our charitable nonprofits, houses of worship and foundations into political campaign tools. It will divide these organizations along party lines,” said Maggie Garrett, Americans United’s legislative director. “That is why the American public, houses of worship, faith leaders and charitable organizations have all strongly opposed the weakening or repeal of the Johnson Amendment.”

Multiple polls have shown that the majority of Americans – including Republican and evangelical voters – don’t want tax-exempt organizations endorsing political candidates. And thousands of faith leaders and nonprofits have voiced support for the Johnson Amendment. More information is available at Project Fair Play, AU’s campaign to educate faith leaders and lay people about the importance of the law.

Garrett also was critical of the tax bill’s provision that would funnel tax-free savings into 529 plans to benefit wealthy families sending their children to private elementary and secondary schools.

“These voucher-like plans undermine public schools by redirecting desperately needed resources to private schools,” Garrett said. “The plans benefit the wealthiest families who can already afford to send their children to private, mostly religious schools. Families have the right to choose a private education for their children, but that choice shouldn’t come at the cost of defunding the public education system relied on by 90 percent of American school children.

“We urge the Senate to listen to the will of the American people by keeping these harmful provisions out of their version of the tax bill,” Garrett added. “Congress should not advance legislation that only benefits politicians and that hinders our children’s education.”

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

https://www.au.org/media/press-releases/americans-united-denounces-house-tax-bill-that-undermines-the-johnson-amendment

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
9. So if I get pregnant in October, I can claim
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:10 PM
Nov 2017

a tax exemption for that year. If I have a miscarriage in January, do I have to amend that prior year's return?

unblock

(52,277 posts)
10. no, it doesn't work for exemptions. only section 529 plans (qualified tuition plans).
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:39 PM
Nov 2017

actually it's just a trojan horse to get some legal concept of fetal personhood into law, so eventually others can argue that fetuses should be treated as if they're already born for other purposes.

as for section 529 plans, you can already start one in a guardian's name and transfer it to the name of a baby, so this gimmick doesn't really accomplish anything beyond the trojan horse aspect.

https://www.snopes.com/gop-tax-bill-fetal-personhood-legislation/

unblock

(52,277 posts)
11. technically this only applies to section 529 plans.
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:40 PM
Nov 2017

at least not until someone brings a legal case trying to use this language elsewhere and a 5-4 supreme court agrees....

https://www.snopes.com/gop-tax-bill-fetal-personhood-legislation/

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