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highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:21 AM Nov 2017

So....how did alt-right troll Mike Cernovich get the documents he gave BuzzFeed about Conyers?

I am not going to defend Conyers' behavior.

But what I'm most curious about is how an alt-right troll best known for promoting ludicrous conspiracy theories got these documents.

He isn't really a journalist, though at the moment he's trying to use this scoop to raise money, asking for contributions for his "expensive" journalistic endeavors, claiming "real news is expensive to produce."

I doubt it cost him anything to be used to get those documents out, after someone with access to them chose to leak them.

I'd guess Bannon was involved, though simply to pass the documents along to Cernovich or to suggest that they be passed to him. Any accusations against Dems can be used to defend Roy Moore, whom Bannon has championed, and this story about Conyers is already being used to attack Paul Ryan, a favorite target of Bannon's, for "covering up" these stories.

But Bannon's so close to Trump it's probably safer to use an alt-right troll like Cernovich to be the "source." Even though Cernovich isn't really a source, let alone a journalist. He's simply the delivery boy in this case.

So who used him for this?

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So....how did alt-right troll Mike Cernovich get the documents he gave BuzzFeed about Conyers? (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 2017 OP
I don't know but how does that jackass still have a Twitter account? Initech Nov 2017 #1
There are still way too many alt-right trolls on Twitter. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #5
The attacks from the hard right are not stopping. Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #2
They have declared war on us. Initech Nov 2017 #3
This is being weaponized Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #4
yes it is. OhioBlue Nov 2017 #6
Bannon is "finding" this info and passing it on? ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #7
Think of all those months Bannon had free rein in Whitehouse riverwalker Nov 2017 #17
Leaks!!! "The real problem is the KPN Nov 2017 #8
I want to know what other Congressmen they have been covering up for madville Nov 2017 #9
Haven't heard about this. Someone pls post the gist of the Conyers documents. brush Nov 2017 #12
Maybe somebody has an interest in rehabilitating Cernovich's credibility after "Pizzagate"? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #10
He offered to pay anybody who could provide the documents $10,000. It's on his Twitter feed. octoberlib Nov 2017 #11
Thanks! I've been trying to locate his tweet via keyword searches on Twitter and highplainsdem Nov 2017 #13
I was just searching for that , too! He's a prolific tweeter. Rumor is he's got the name of a Repub octoberlib Nov 2017 #14
Of course he won't. He isn't a journalist. He's a troll and a tool. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #16
FWIW, @SightseerNW scores 10/10 at Make Adverbs Great Again, Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #15
Agree about the alt-right/Russian botnet involvement. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #18
I'm just digging up stuff here as I've found it. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #19
The #unsealthedeals hashtag is aimed at Paul Ryan. For instance: highplainsdem Nov 2017 #21
Yes. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #22
In the thread after that first tweet, @michaeldaudel volunteered to create a whistleblower website. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #24
Who's funding these assholes? Initech Nov 2017 #20
Especially important to know now that he's offering to pay legal fees: highplainsdem Nov 2017 #23
Obviously a lot more money than's likely to have been raised by individual donations. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #30
Not sure. But the Dem leaning Billionaires need to do the same. Time to get in the mud. TheRealistRealist Nov 2017 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #25
88 years old? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #26
Cernovich is weaponizing sexual assault and harassment..this is not about the victims TheRealistRealist Nov 2017 #27
Of course this isn't about the victims. Cernovich is a bigot who's been accused of rape himself highplainsdem Nov 2017 #29
the collusion didn't stop with the election of DT spanone Nov 2017 #31
You need to read this , highplainsdem octoberlib Nov 2017 #32

Initech

(100,081 posts)
3. They have declared war on us.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:34 AM
Nov 2017

Which is why I think Bannon is dangerous and I curse the fucking Mercers for unleashing this fucking asshole on us. And if you were to look up the word "tool" in the dictionary, you'd see Mike Cernovich's picture.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. Bannon is "finding" this info and passing it on?
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:52 AM
Nov 2017

If that is so, and there is no reason not to think it is, then the question is, How is he spreading the word that he wants to obtain dirt? I would suspect some compensation is being offered. There ought to be a trail of emails or money or both.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
17. Think of all those months Bannon had free rein in Whitehouse
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:50 AM
Nov 2017

And who knows where else, what unlimited access he had to records.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
8. Leaks!!! "The real problem is the
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:07 AM
Nov 2017

leakers!" Everything goes back ultimately to the little fingered pussy grabber.

madville

(7,412 posts)
9. I want to know what other Congressmen they have been covering up for
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:12 AM
Nov 2017

Congress keeping these things secret is not how this is supposed to work. I don't care what party they are in, kick the perverts out and replace them.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
10. Maybe somebody has an interest in rehabilitating Cernovich's credibility after "Pizzagate"?
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:12 AM
Nov 2017

He passed the documents to BuzzFeed, he told them, because otherwise "Democrats and congressional leaders would 'try to discredit the story by attacking the messenger'". He knows his credibility was shot, and so did whoever provided them to him.

He's obviously a partisan hack with no evidence of interest (quite the contrary) in exposing abuse for non-political reasons.

Perhaps there's been a partial leak of at least some settlements involving Democrats (these would be federal employees in general, not necessarily senators and congressmen - 264 over 20 years, according to WaPo), and the idea is to get those out front and center before the rest get exposed, if that happens. (Or maybe it's a bluff and he just had Conyer's.)



2002 and 2007 were pretty bad years for settlements (the offenses would obviously have occurred before then), so I'm not sure what that tells us. Does it tie in with any of the election cycles, known major scandals or rumors, or am I missing something?

Whatever, there are RW efforts on Twitter to get the hashtag #unsealthedeals trending and put pressure on Paul Ryan.

It looks to me from what I've seen so far like it's an attempt to "own" the issue of countering abuse in Congress by the MAGA crowd and associates of Bannon and Cernovich.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
11. He offered to pay anybody who could provide the documents $10,000. It's on his Twitter feed.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:12 AM
Nov 2017

and some congressional staffer in a MAGA hat took him up on it. Cernovich probably got the money from Bannon.

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
13. Thanks! I've been trying to locate his tweet via keyword searches on Twitter and
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:32 AM
Nov 2017

I've found some apparent replies to it when it was first posted, like this one




but haven't yet found the original tweet, which he might have deleted.

And yes, it has been deleted.

Just googled

cernovich $10,000

and the search results included a deleted tweet




with Google's search results showing it was posted 5 days ago, and showing this text:

Mike Cernovich on Twitter: "I will pay $10,000 for the details of these ...


5 days ago - I will pay $10,000 for the details of these settlements. Cash or BitCoin or check or whatever you want. Anonymity assured. I'll go to jail for a ...



Before I found that, I saw replies to Cernovich suggesting $10,000 wasn't enough to offer. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone like Bannon provided more money.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
14. I was just searching for that , too! He's a prolific tweeter. Rumor is he's got the name of a Repub
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:39 AM
Nov 2017

too but won't release it.

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
16. Of course he won't. He isn't a journalist. He's a troll and a tool.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:50 AM
Nov 2017

I've done some more checking and apparently he's often offered $10,000 for any dirt he can use to promote himself via some "scoop." So this is why he thinks journalism is "expensive."

I'm still skeptical that he engineered this leak himself with his paltry offer. I think it's more likely that someone with much more power and money arranged the leak and Cernovich is the front for it, or the cut-out.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
15. FWIW, @SightseerNW scores 10/10 at Make Adverbs Great Again,
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:44 AM
Nov 2017

a site for IDing alt-right and Russian Twitter trolls "propagating material that originated on Russia-based accounts". I don't use it a whole lot, but I've only seen 10/10 once before (Cernovich, e.g., only scores 5/10).

https://makeadverbsgreatagain.us/mlp/

The site warns it can make mistakes 1/20 times.

I'm not saying that Vlad's behind all this, but it looks like the alt-right/Russian botnet mixed in with real MAGA types is heavily involved. Not really surprising.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
19. I'm just digging up stuff here as I've found it.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:38 AM
Nov 2017

They're hitting that #unsealthedeals hashtag pretty hard right now.

I don't know how much is relevant to what you're doing. It's rabbithole after rabbithole out there at the moment.

I'm going to take a step back for a while and watch the dust settle, I think.

I'm not clear why Cernovich deleted those tweets. Is he in the habit of doing that?

Nice guy, in case anybody didn't realize, BTW:

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
21. The #unsealthedeals hashtag is aimed at Paul Ryan. For instance:
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:55 AM
Nov 2017




Again, this is something that helps Bannon's agenda. And publishing leaked documents like this might be too hot for Bannon to risk at Breitbart at the moment. He would need a cut-out like Cernovich.

As for Cernovich deleting tweets -- I have no idea how often he does that. He posts so much garbage I rarely look at his Twitter feed, only at occasional posts of his that pop up when I'm checking for various keywords/names, or seeing him retweeted by John Schindler, who understandably has complete contempt for Cernovich.

As for why that Cernovich tweet in particular was deleted...I'd like to know what he wrote completing the sentence beginning "I'll go to jail..." Maybe he decided it wasn't too bright to boast about his willingness to go to jail. Or he might have simply hoped that getting rid of the tweet would make it less likely people would hear he'd offered money for leaked information.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
22. Yes.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:13 AM
Nov 2017

Some are including Pelosi.

I've just been looking at Schindler, too. There's a string of Twitter feeds a mile long in my bookmarks, and I may have a dig around some of them unless it all gets too much.

I was wondering whether Cernovich was specifically deleting tweets about the $10,000 for some reason.

"I'll go to jail ..." ended up not being very hard - I just Google searched on Cernovic "I'll go to jail" and this came up in Google cache (there are two results on his twitter feed that come up first on my system):

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zTy7rO2pFpQJ:


+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

(EDIT: Urgh. DU's software messes with embedded tweet URLs, so you'll have to do the same search I did rather than following that URL.)

I can't copy and paste from the cache, but it reads:

I will pay $10,000 for the details of these settlements. Cash or BitCoin or check or whatever you want. Anonymity assured. I'll go to jail for a source.

If you're privy to this type of info, I don't need to tell you how to find me. twitter.com

3:29PM - 16 Nov 2017


The second deleted tweet is a follow-up shortly after where he quotes that one and offers a "sliding scale" depending on the details provided etc. You can see who replies to him, but that may not tell us anything at all.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
24. In the thread after that first tweet, @michaeldaudel volunteered to create a whistleblower website.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:26 AM
Nov 2017

May not come to anything, but: https://twitter.com/@michaeldaudel

He has a link in his profile to http://jupiterbrain.com/ - at the moment it's just a "coming soon" page. I don't know whether that's going to be the whistleblowing site, or something unrelated.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
30. Obviously a lot more money than's likely to have been raised by individual donations.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:49 AM
Nov 2017

I've been suspicious that this attempt to fundraise via Twitter could just be a way of adding a "populist" gloss to all this, or even laundering funding.

It seems Cernovich has a reputation for always trying to get people to chip in to support his "journalism" anyway, so maybe it's just the way he rolls.

Putting out his "appeal" for leakers on Twitter could also be cover for their already having a source.

Given what's at stake, the social media account of a discredited troll and the offer of what isn't actually a great deal of money in return for the risks seems a bit random as a way to get someone who presumably is still a federal employee to cough up the goods.

TheRealistRealist

(180 posts)
28. Not sure. But the Dem leaning Billionaires need to do the same. Time to get in the mud.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:37 AM
Nov 2017

To all the appalled billionaires, Steyer, Branson, Buffet, Gates and others:
It's time to put your money where your mouth is. These Steyer ads are a vanity project. He could have done so much more to help the cause with that $20 mill and he knows it. Dig up the apprentice tapes, the kompromat tapes and anything else. Time to get in the mud

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TheRealistRealist

(180 posts)
27. Cernovich is weaponizing sexual assault and harassment..this is not about the victims
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:16 AM
Nov 2017

If they Alt Right were so concerned about sexual assault, they would start with their president. They are using these documents to to get rid of powerful Dems before the midterms. I in no way support sexual harassment. I want all of offenders revealed. But this reeks of a hit job against Dems. If no super conservative alt rights names are on this payout list, then my suspicions will be confirmed.

Also, liberals need to be more aggressive. We have become so passive. Why are these hashtags not on twitter?

'WhereisMariaTrump'
'Don'tWeaponizeMyRape' ,
''CernovichWhyNotTrump'
'CernovichStartWithTrump'

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
29. Of course this isn't about the victims. Cernovich is a bigot who's been accused of rape himself
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 10:22 AM
Nov 2017

-- the charge was reduced to misdemeanor battery for which he had to do community service -- and who's infamous for saying there's no such thing as date rape, that it's a "liberal fiction."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Cernovich

This is about leaking documents harmful to Democrats, and using Cernovich as a cut-out to protect the real source and initiator of this leak, someone more powerful who's trying to protect or rehabilitate his image.

I still think Bannon's the most likely source of this. The obvious news site for Cernovich to take his scoop to would have been Breitbart, which has been trying to help Cernovich's pathetic image since Bannon left the WH and returned to his sewer as head sewer rat. Slimy and disreputable as Breitbart is, it's been trying very hard for months to promote Bannon as a "populist hero" and a "force of nature" (wording from Breitbart headlines and a book about Bannon promoted on Breitbart) and some sort of grand philosopher of the right whose every ludicrously pretentious or childishly pugnacious utterance is drooled over and exalted by Breitbart writers. Of course they'd want this story on Conyers out, but they wouldn't want to be accused of engineering the leak.

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