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Bill Kristol... (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2017 OP
MY guess mikeysnot Nov 2017 #1
++++++++++++++++ pangaia Nov 2017 #27
Yes. madaboutharry Nov 2017 #28
Ok. You win lunatica Nov 2017 #57
His first breath of fresh air since he became a conservative. Nitram Nov 2017 #59
I've retweeted Bill Kristol a few times lately. liberalmuse Nov 2017 #2
Happy, I hope. I am. nt babylonsister Nov 2017 #4
And George Will is now an MSNBC contributor underpants Nov 2017 #7
I propose we get what we can out of them, then throw them both in the shit pile. pangaia Nov 2017 #30
I love you!!! You remind me of my late sister ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #33
ME????????????????? pangaia Nov 2017 #37
Micki was the best ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #41
Well, thank you. I am flattered. pangaia Nov 2017 #48
Amazing and Profoundly Moving ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #51
You are welcome. pangaia Nov 2017 #55
Nah...just means hes not on the money train. nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2017 #43
It's called having a conscience. New concept for you Billy? nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #3
He still owes us for Sarah Palin. maddiemom Nov 2017 #13
I know, he was so smitten with her. What an idiot. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #15
No, it's called slinking away from the scene of the crime and pretending to be an onlooker JHB Nov 2017 #20
True, just rats jumping off a sinking ship, and they are still rats. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #21
Its not kristol that's the problem. Its the racists JI7 Nov 2017 #24
Yeah, he is. If a beast is a danger, what about the guy who fed and trained it? JHB Nov 2017 #40
The problem is people like roy moore. Not some jewish guy turned off by bigots JI7 Nov 2017 #44
Kristol's religion doesn't matter. His coddling of people like Moore when it didn't cost him does. JHB Nov 2017 #47
He never coddled moore. The trump and moore supporters don't care what some jewish guy says JI7 Nov 2017 #49
He's coddled people like Moore for decades. Push their hot buttons, get them foaming mad... JHB Nov 2017 #50
Yep, as I've already posted thegoose Nov 2017 #38
Kristof was a HUGE force behind Sarah Palin n/t BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #45
So true! yardwork Nov 2017 #58
The GOP nazis C_U_L8R Nov 2017 #5
K&R... spanone Nov 2017 #6
Hans? underpants Nov 2017 #8
Damn I miss Rickman ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #35
Whaaaa? progressoid Nov 2017 #9
It's just called being a person of conscience, Bill. sandensea Nov 2017 #10
Praise the Lord, Bill Kristol has seen the light! redwitch Nov 2017 #11
No he hasn't. He's just admitting the truth to avoid taking any responsibility. pangaia Nov 2017 #31
Not all conservatives are idiots! Thunderbeast Nov 2017 #12
Utterly Ridiculous ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #22
Tell it Prof! panader0 Nov 2017 #25
I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE Skittles Nov 2017 #34
Go GAC GO ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #39
mMrk Shields could make Brooks look lie a fool without breaking a sweat. pangaia Nov 2017 #32
Um Nope shadowmayor Nov 2017 #46
Perhaps not. I do believe souls can be saved. calimary Nov 2017 #56
Nope Leith Nov 2017 #14
You got tired of being wrong charlyvi Nov 2017 #16
piss on Bill Kristol anyway. KG Nov 2017 #17
WHAT IS HAPPENING? Liberalagogo Nov 2017 #18
One of Us ! One of Us! One of Us! mucifer Nov 2017 #19
He's a patrician hibbing Nov 2017 #23
I used to hate his guts! LyndaG Nov 2017 #26
Yay for thoughtful reflection! Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #29
You have no inner liberal, pangaia Nov 2017 #36
Steve Schmidt speaking in cilla4progress Nov 2017 #42
Bill MFM008 Nov 2017 #52
He took the red pill Roland99 Nov 2017 #53
Welcome Bill. It's called "growing up." lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #54

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
2. I've retweeted Bill Kristol a few times lately.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 06:29 PM
Nov 2017

Should I be scared, or happy that some people are finally opening their eyes to this bullshit? I'm guessing the latter and hoping it's not too late.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
7. And George Will is now an MSNBC contributor
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 06:49 PM
Nov 2017

Both Will and Kristin have been rabidly anti- Trump. They, like a lot of the GOP RNC, saw all this coming.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
41. Micki was the best
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:10 PM
Nov 2017

She was full of P&V and spoke the truth always. You are clever and funny....with a kick ass attitude...just like her. Thank you!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
48. Well, thank you. I am flattered.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:52 PM
Nov 2017

I used to be a timpanist.

here is a performance of the Sibelius Symphony, the great Paavo Järvi conducting.
I doubt you will ever hear better.

This is what I did for many years, kick ass playing---although this is not me but a friend, , former timpanist in the Orchestre De Paris. He lays it down as it should be done... (I will say, he can be a little dramatic at times. LOL))

The fun, and build up to the end, starts at about 36:12.
If this doesn't blast you out of your chair you are comatose !!

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
51. Amazing and Profoundly Moving
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 12:04 AM
Nov 2017

Paavo with his Don Quixote windmilling, the horns, the gorgeous red oboes, the timpanist, the violinists in a nectar frenzy....BRAVO and thank you for sharing that bit of wonderful beauty with me. My daughter (she's 16) and I wept.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
20. No, it's called slinking away from the scene of the crime and pretending to be an onlooker
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:43 PM
Nov 2017

He's spent his entire career paving the path to Trump, and if Kremlin Don was even remotely capable of the appearance of presidential behavior he'd have gotten right in line behind him. In fact he did, when it looked like that was the way to jump.

The man known as "Dan Quayle's brain", who convinced McCain to bring aboard Sarah Palin, who ran a conservative rag that helped build their bubble cannot and should not be allowed to pretend he wasn't involved in bringing about the current mess.

I don't think he needs to spend the rest of his life flagellating himself about it, but doing so for a good 10 years would show he actually has a conscience about what his smarmy arrogance and ivy-league political vandalism has done.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
40. Yeah, he is. If a beast is a danger, what about the guy who fed and trained it?
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:08 PM
Nov 2017

Conservatives of Kristol's ilk have aided, abetted, and encouraged the racists and other sTrumpets in their drive to break up the Democratic coalition and any other organized opposition. On their own they don't have the numbers to push their pet policies, but buoyed on a sea of foam? That's the basis of their power.

Except the people he spent his career working into a lather think he's a slacker and backslider, an apostate, and he's been cast out into... well, well-paid media gigs aren't exactly the wilderness, are they?

Don't let him disown the Don.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
47. Kristol's religion doesn't matter. His coddling of people like Moore when it didn't cost him does.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:35 PM
Nov 2017

What does his being "a jewish guy" have to do with this?

JI7

(89,252 posts)
49. He never coddled moore. The trump and moore supporters don't care what some jewish guy says
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

They are anti semitic.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
50. He's coddled people like Moore for decades. Push their hot buttons, get them foaming mad...
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:28 PM
Nov 2017

...at liberals and Democrats, all was good. Show me his columns balking at the anti-Semitism that was part of demonizing Sidney Blumenthal or George Soros.

 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
38. Yep, as I've already posted
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:07 PM
Nov 2017

I'm sick of these Repukes washing their hands like Pontius Pilate. Too late, fuckers!

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
10. It's just called being a person of conscience, Bill.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:35 PM
Nov 2017

None of us are saints - but there's a limit to everything. Today's GOP has gone past the point of no return 30 years ago at least.

Thunderbeast

(3,417 posts)
12. Not all conservatives are idiots!
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:38 PM
Nov 2017

I very much enjoy hearing real debate about the merits of public policy. George Will, David Brooks, and Bill Kristol are capable of making persuasive arguments to defend their positions. Liberals ignore and dismiss their views at their own peril.

It is hubris to believe that progressive policies can not spawn un-intended consequences. If a conservative challenges my thinking based on real evidence and facts, I had better listen. Fair and respectful differences concerning strategies to solve big problems should be discussed without filters. Better solutions will be the product of such debate.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
22. Utterly Ridiculous
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:46 PM
Nov 2017

All three you mention are 2 dimensional thinkers with 2 dimensional positions and have bee probably wrong about everything they've espoused for 20+ years!
Peddle your conservabot claptrap elsewhere!
Those three couldn't begin to understand the econometric models I published and those were nearly 25 years ago
Ignore them at our peril? Speak for yourself! The only thing that crowd is, is ignorable!
They are to blame for the present! No quarter for those idiots!
Shame on you for bringing that nonsense here!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. mMrk Shields could make Brooks look lie a fool without breaking a sweat.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:02 PM
Nov 2017

Kristol is the same. The slimiest of the three.

Will is too much in love with himself to actually discuss anything.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
46. Um Nope
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:35 PM
Nov 2017

Likening these guys with any connection to merit or being capable of conducting themselves in a real debate is pure horseshit. Been watching these buttholes ruin the political dialogue in this nation for decades. They all admire wealth and power, couldn't care less about the working class and love it when we start bombing the hell out of poor people in far away lands. Each one of these guys is a first rate ass-kisser for anything related to wall street, free market mythology, and project for a new American century crap.

Kristol can choke on a dried turd for all I care.

calimary

(81,320 posts)
56. Perhaps not. I do believe souls can be saved.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 02:55 PM
Nov 2017

But I'd need to see a longer track record of behavior that proves this. Not ready to trust or fully embrace these three. Bill Kristol, David Brooks, and George Will have spent an awfully long time being knuckledraggers. Someone like David Brock, on the other hand, is an example of genuine repentance and making amends. He's a former wrong-winger whose eyes were opened to the extent that he not only cast off his old beliefs and his former proselytizing but he founded Media Matters for America - which has become a weaponized resource for TRUTH and debunking the REAL fake news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

HIM I can believe. The others have to show, over time and many writings, speeches, and public appearances, that they've honestly an genuinely reformed. I await becoming convinced that they're not just shameless opportunists bending with whatever wind they see as most advantageous. And yeah, Bill Kristol has the stain of Sarah Palin on his soul. Gonna take some time and effort to repent that one.

I guess it's the Catholic school effect - wherein we were taught, among other things, that salvation is all about faith AND good works. You have to put ACTION behind your lofty-sounding words. Because talk is cheap. As Rachel Maddow frequently points out: don't watch what they say. Watch what they DO.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
14. Nope
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 07:53 PM
Nov 2017

He was one of those who brought about this time in history. If he's serious and not just trying to fool people into thinking he's an honest, reasonable person, then he can spend the rest of his life working for it.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
18. WHAT IS HAPPENING?
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:04 PM
Nov 2017

It's called "rats deserting a sinking ship". No credit for any RW a-hole that helped cause this whole situation. You don't forgive the serial killer when he/she tells you where he buried the bodies, not the arsonist that helps put out the fire he/she started.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
23. He's a patrician
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 08:49 PM
Nov 2017

And the crass current resident of the White House offends his patrician sensibilities. Oh, and he's still a smug entitled awad.

Peace

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. You have no inner liberal,
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:05 PM
Nov 2017

You have no inner feminist.

You have no inner socialist.


WHAT IS HAPPENING?
You got caught.
You are coward running scared.

You stinking pile of shit.


cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
42. Steve Schmidt speaking in
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 09:13 PM
Nov 2017

A similar tenor on Chris Hayes.

I just hope the outcome is a blue wave. Schmidt seems to think so.

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