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tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 03:19 PM Nov 2017

The opposite of Net Neutrality is Internet Censorship. Let's start saying that.

I've always thought the term "Net Neutrality' was not very powerful. Perhaps we need to change our language.

The FCC decision allows large corporations to censor what we can see on the internet. Plain and simple.

The next time someone is confused about the meaning of 'Net Neutrality' just tell them you're against big corporations censoring the internet. Then ask the other person if they agree that censorship is bad. Of course they will agree.

Spread the word.

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The opposite of Net Neutrality is Internet Censorship. Let's start saying that. (Original Post) tinrobot Nov 2017 OP
This is a fact. defacto7 Nov 2017 #1
Bingo. dalton99a Nov 2017 #2
MCMC Snotcicles Nov 2017 #3
Everyone will need a VPN (virtual private network) FakeNoose Nov 2017 #4
Good point. I suspect ISPs will find a way to charge extra for VPNs. tinrobot Nov 2017 #5
If the ISPs cared, they would be fighting for net neutrality FakeNoose Nov 2017 #15
Well until I get a personal VPN how do I fix two things? Redditrefugee May 2021 #19
welcome to DU gopiscrap May 2021 #20
My guess is that ISPs will slam the brakes on VPN traffic, if possible. nt Ilsa Nov 2017 #8
Have you called your congress critter yet? GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #6
Yes! But also call/email the FCC tinrobot Nov 2017 #7
Thank you!! Duppers Nov 2017 #10
Thanks for the email list. I'll post the addresses on Facebook. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #17
In some cases it will be censorship. In others it will be a predatory business decision to put a Nitram Nov 2017 #9
Restricting the speech of a competitor for business reasons is still a form censorship. tinrobot Nov 2017 #14
It is not a one-to-one relationship as described in the headline. Nitram Nov 2017 #16
Excellent ! 👍 Duppers Nov 2017 #11
I've been discussing Net Neutrality with Righties lately. Ohioboy Nov 2017 #12
Do we at DU saidsimplesimon Nov 2017 #13
What did we have before net neutrality? Puzzledtraveller Nov 2017 #18

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
4. Everyone will need a VPN (virtual private network)
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:09 PM
Nov 2017

If you're not familiar with that term, you will be soon.

See everyone has an ISP right? If you're not living on a campus, most of us pay somebody to have access to the internet, whether it's Verizon, AOL, Sprint, AT&T or whoever, they charge you for a monthly access fee. But they're also selling all your contact info to the highest bidder, including all your searches, favorites, etc. That's what advertisers want to know - if you're buying a new car, looking for a house, or something else they can sell you.

The next step will be to prevent us from doing things, like don't shop for your car from company A because we want you to buy from company B. Don't stream a movie from there because we want you to go here. There will be lots of things to stop us from doing, I'm just trying to make this brief point.

With a VPN you control your own privacy, and your ISP can't snoop and sell your info. It's not illegal but it's something they'd rather we didn't know about. Some VPNs are free, some charge a small amount. I pay $15 every 3 months for my VPN and I feel that it's well worth it. I can cancel anytime I want. I also have Verizon Fios internet service and it's awesomely fast, but they're tracking everything I do online. What the VPN does is hide your real IP address and show a temporaily reassigned IP address instead. Each time you go online, it's a different IP address just for that session.

When the government abolishes our net neutrality, it's going to cost everyone more money, that's the whole point of this naked Republican money grab.



tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
5. Good point. I suspect ISPs will find a way to charge extra for VPNs.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:21 PM
Nov 2017

Yes, a VPN is a good way to offset throttling/censorship.

I have to use a VPN for work, as do many people. Because of that, I doubt ISPs will totally prohibit VPNs (although many would like to do exactly that)

I guarantee you, however, that they will try to charge VPN users extra for some sort of "work at home plan". Expect it to be expensive.

Still worth it, though.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
15. If the ISPs cared, they would be fighting for net neutrality
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:40 PM
Nov 2017

...but they aren't because of the dollar signs in their eyes. I mention it here on DU because a lot of people don't even know what it is, or why they would need it.

Redditrefugee

(1 post)
19. Well until I get a personal VPN how do I fix two things?
Sat May 15, 2021, 03:44 PM
May 2021

I was blocked around April 3 from making comments all across You Tube with no response from Google despite multiple attempts for an explanation. How can I fix this?

Also why does it take FIVE days before an email bounces when it was a legitimate email? Maybe the recipient read my letter and just decided not to respond? The error message was the typical "multiple attempts to deliver have failed".

Thank you for any respectful responses.

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
7. Yes! But also call/email the FCC
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:31 PM
Nov 2017

These are the emails of the 5 people on the FCC commission.

Jessica Rosenworcel and Mignon Clyburn have come out as No votes. We need only to convince ONE of the other members to flip to a No vote to save Net Neutrality. Mike O'Rielly was hired by Obama so go after him the most.

Blow up their inboxes!

Ajit Pai - Ajit.Pai@fcc.gov
Mignon Clyburn - Mignon.Clyburn@fcc.gov
Michael O'Rielly - Mike.ORielly@fcc.gov
Brendan Carr - Brendan.Carr@fcc.gov
Jessica Rosenworcel - Jessica.Rosenworcel@fcc.gov

Spread this comment around!

We need to go straight to the source.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
17. Thanks for the email list. I'll post the addresses on Facebook.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 09:43 PM
Nov 2017

And I'm going to be sending emails like crazy.

On edit. Just sent to all five of them.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
9. In some cases it will be censorship. In others it will be a predatory business decision to put a
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 05:05 PM
Nov 2017

competitor out of business.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
16. It is not a one-to-one relationship as described in the headline.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 07:18 PM
Nov 2017

It can be a great deal more than just censorship, and censorship is not necessarily the motive. I'm just saying you can't reduce "the opposite of net neutrality" to censorship alone. Particularly when it increases the costs of certain content. Making certain information more expensive is not censorship.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
12. I've been discussing Net Neutrality with Righties lately.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:16 PM
Nov 2017

I'm glad to report that some of them get it, but there are still many that don't. The ones that don't have no idea why, other than it started under Obama. That is what I have found.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
13. Do we at DU
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 06:22 PM
Nov 2017

support conversation and opinions that challenge our party or are we a tribal clan?

The FCC decision allows large corporations to censor what we can see on the internet. Plain and simple.
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