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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:25 PM Nov 2017

The Recent Focus on Sexual Harassment and Abuse

should, I think, be a time for men, in general, to reexamine how they behave with women. We're creatures of habit. We often behave in ways we learned from others at an earlier time.

I know that I've been looking at myself with an eye toward trying to see myself through the eyes of the women I encounter now and have encountered in the past. Am I doing things unconsciously and out of sheer habit that make people uneasy or fearful? That seems to me to be an important question. In some cases, I'm asking women I know for a frank opinion.

The news events and the revelations about men who we often think of as good, honorable people should, I think, raise questions in all of us. Just yesterday, I asked a question of a woman who was a girlfriend of mine for a couple of months back in high school over 50 years ago, when we were both 16. We're friends now on Facebook, and encounter each other occasionally when I'm back in my hometown.

My question was about whether I had been too "handsy" when we were dating each other. I remember our interactions pretty well. She said, "Heavens, no. We were just doing the fooling around we were of an age to do. If anything I wish I had been more eager to experiment." That's what she said. So, I guess things were OK. But, I needed to check myself and my past actions.

It's a lot like checking privilege. I have lots of privileges that are unearned. One of them is being a man. So, given all the news about men who have misbehaved badly, it's time to check that privilege, I think, and see whether my own standards have measured up OK. In some ways, what's going on now is a good thing, in that it gives us all an opportunity to re-examine things we do and have done from a different perspective.

Or so it seems to me.

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The Recent Focus on Sexual Harassment and Abuse (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2017 OP
THANK YOU, MM, for being willing to examine your behaviour honestly, although, from niyad Nov 2017 #1
I think we all feel that we're OK in our actions, but MineralMan Nov 2017 #3
Thank you for this MM. lapucelle Nov 2017 #2
Well, I was glad to discover that I hadn't crossed the line. MineralMan Nov 2017 #5
Here's a hint ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #4
I'm not sure that cultures can be changed. MineralMan Nov 2017 #6
Again, you are absolutely correct ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #7

niyad

(113,336 posts)
1. THANK YOU, MM, for being willing to examine your behaviour honestly, although, from
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:45 PM
Nov 2017

what I have read of you all this time, I would think you don't have a lot to worry about.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. I think we all feel that we're OK in our actions, but
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:53 PM
Nov 2017

it's always a good idea to check once in a while, just to make sure, I think.

I'm still thinking about it and looking at past behaviors. If I find something that doesn't fit within my ethical compass, then I'll see if there's some way to make amends. That's why I asked that old girlfriend the question I asked.

I'm actually still in occasional contact with many of the people with whom I've had romantic connections. It's easy to do that when you're old. Nobody's still dealing with or worrying about such things from the past in any serious way by now.

It's interesting to get old and reflect on one's life. I have an excellent memory. Always have. I can replay many events in my life almost exactly, so looking back is a fascinating exercise.

lapucelle

(18,270 posts)
2. Thank you for this MM.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:51 PM
Nov 2017

It's been a confusing few weeks. There can be a fine line between taking a risk and making that first kiss move (or some other move) on a crush or a girlfriend or boyfriend and an unwelcome sexual advance.

I was great of you to reach out and ask whether you crossed that line.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Well, I was glad to discover that I hadn't crossed the line.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:54 PM
Nov 2017

I was always conscious of not doing that, but youth is youth.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
4. Here's a hint
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:54 PM
Nov 2017

If you find yourself wondering about past encounters with women and feeling uneasy that you might have done something wrong, then you are probably ok: it means you have a conscience. If, on the other hand, you scoff at the very notion of impropriety in your encounters and find yourself coming up with various excuses for things you did, then you are probably Republican.

Yes, MM, I agree that these last few weeks have been a time for self reflection and, where possible, inquiry. The broader problem, though, is how to change those things in our culture that negatively influence relationships between men and women. Maybe I should write "cultures" because it is beginning to be apparent there are major differences between what is tolerated in, say, Alabama and what is tolerated in other parts of this country.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. I'm not sure that cultures can be changed.
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 04:56 PM
Nov 2017

Individual people, however, can change, if they want to. There's no chance that I can change attitudes in Alabama. But, I can look at myself and see if there are attitudes I can change there.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. Again, you are absolutely correct
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 05:04 PM
Nov 2017

The only person one can possibly be responsible for is oneself (children to a certain age, too).

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