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RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 01:40 AM Nov 2017

Is the President of the United States compromised by the Russian government?

There has been a lor of speculation by the media as to whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians in attempting to influence the 2016 election. It seems to me that there is a much more urgent question that needs to be answered. Is President Trump under the influence of the Russian government. His behavior would suggest that either the answer is yes or somehow his impulsiveness to rebuke any criticism is making it look that way. Either way, he is not fit to be president.

Throughout the investigation the President has gone out his way to trash it, calling it a witch hunt. If he has nothing to hide, why is he doing this. Although he is seems to have a penchant to criticize anyone and anything that appears to be the leas bit challenging to him, The President never criticizes Russia or Putin. If anything, he only praises Putin. The president shows little interest in or shown little leadership in instituting laws or procedures that could prevent what the Russians did in the 2017 election.

Why was it that so numerous people with Russian connections gravitated to the campaign? W hy were there so many instances where they lied about the connections and meetings, in public or on government documents? Why did Paul Manefort agree to work for the campaign for free?

During the Republican Convention, the party plank was abruptly changed to be more conciliatory toward Russina on the invasion of Crimea. To this date, exactly how this came about or who initiated it, is a mystery.

On Feb 13th, National Security Advisor Mke Flynn was fired. That was 18 days after Attorney General Sally Yates had informed the administration that he was operating as a foreign agent, and that he was subject to blackmail. He was not fired until after it had become public.

On May 9th President Trump fired the Director of the FBI. Just a few days earlier he had publicly stated in a congressional hearing that he was investigating Trump and the campaign as part of the overall investigation in how Russia interfered in the 2017 election.

On May 10th, Trump had Russian officials Kislyak and Lavrov in the oval office and confided in them that he had relieved pressure on himself by firing Comey. He also relayed classified information to them concerning new methods being considered by terrorists to plant bombs on airplanes.

A day later on an NBC interview, Trump admitted that he had fired director Comey because of the investigation on his campaign.

On July 27th, Congress passed sanctions on Russia for impeding in the 2016 election. Trump signed the bill, but issued an angry signing statement against it. The sanctions had been passed through both houses almost unanimously. On Oct 27th, the administration missed the first deadline for imposing the sanctions. To this date, as far as is publicly known, those sanctions have not been imposed.

Lately, it seems as though the President has stopaped publicly criticizing the investigation,leaving that to surrogates. It should be noted that there is a legal and a political aspect to the investigation. Muelller can finally come forward with ample evidence for wrong doing, but if no one believes it, or they think is just political, then it doesn't matter. So far, it does not appear that Trump and his surrogates have been successful in denigrating the investigation in the public's eye.

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Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
5. Probably yes. The president probably owes Russia a lot, maybe money, maybe just for the
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 03:04 AM
Nov 2017

publication of the e-mails, maybe for years of financial support/cooperation/pay/favors/who knows?

The Mueller investigation will find out whether he does or not. My guess is he does.

Manafort was paid by Russians, Russian oligarch(s), the pro-Russian Ukrainians and then worked for the Trump campaign for pay or not for pay -- to be determined.

We can't say yet with absolute certainty just what happened, but chances are pretty good that the president owes/owed/felt grateful or indebted to Russia and that his conduct as president has been and will be influenced by his unusual relationship with the Russian leadership and oligarchs.

Is it illegal? We shall see. Maybe. Maybe not, but certainly something that needs thorough investigation.

Is it grounds for impeachment? That too we shall find out.

I am unaware of any president or presidential candidate who was so close to or whose staff was so close to any other country. The list of Trump appointees who have or had some unusual relationship with Russia or Russian oligarchs is quite astounding. Russia is not our ally. So that makes it all the more astounding. Russia is probably not exactly an "enemy," but it is not our ally. So the situation makes no sense at all in terms of our political history.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
6. I would think that accepting the Presidency while in effectively being an agent of a foreign
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 03:35 AM
Nov 2017

government, would have to be impeachable. A comparable event to this would be the imprisonment of the guy Pollard who was caught spying for Israel which is an ally. Last I knew, he was still in prison, and we have refuse to give him over to Israel.

Bucky

(54,039 posts)
9. Oh hell yes, they got something on him, Lord knows what
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:24 AM
Nov 2017

Mostly, he owes them financially. To understand Trump you need to know two things.
One, he's a big whiny baby who wants his ass wiped.
Two, always follow the money.

He's president to make money. He uses the perqs of office to make his family money. He supports the Russians to make money for himself. He uses his name and his leverage in the executive office to make money.

He lost the ability to get loans in the United States cause he's such a terrible business person. The Russians started working him for their advantage back in the 90s and that investment has paid massive dividends.

He is not technically a puppet of theirs. He doesn't "take orders" from the Kremlin. But he's crafty enough to understand who his friends are and he's self-interested enough to realize the Russians are helping him on a personal level, which is all he really cares about.

And so he does things like give them what they want in treaties and hands over classified intelligence in the Oval Office when they ask. But my guess is he'll start being a little more cagey about stuff like that in the future. Trump may be stubborn, but he's also pretty adaptive

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
10. +1000
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:12 AM
Nov 2017

Trump = Big Whiny Baby and all about Money

No question that he owes the Russians and when the money is followed it will all be so clear what and why

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