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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes Trump have dementia, or is he faking it?
Friend of mine suggested this today, he says Trump wants to quit and sees pretending have dementia one way to do it.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)As does stupidity...
dchill
(38,513 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)say "no harm no foul" and have the dogs stop barking at him for the fact that he is a major, international criminal.
And traitor.
I almost would be willing to let him slide if what I got was a Democrat in the seat that he stole.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)If you listen to Trump speaking a few years ago vs now it sounds like he is less intelligent. That kind of dramatic change is a sign of dementia. I dont think hes just pretending to be stupid.
Phoenix61
(17,009 posts)You can watch interviews he gave 20-30 years ago and there is a huge difference. His vocabulary has decreased significantly and his sentence structure has become very simple. Sadly, I watched this happen to my mother as her dementia progressed.
my mother suffered from dementia also. With her, like with Trump, there was a huge narrowing down of vocabulary and a lot of raging anger.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)very dramatic. Now he speaks by constantly repeating the same words and phrases over and over and over (which some Trump idiot claimed was just part of his messaging), which I remember happening with one of my relatives who declined over time. She began repeating phrases while trying to speak. She would also get that spaced out and confused look Trump gets when he isnt being directly guided by Melania or Ivanka or someone like Bannon. Later she began repeating words over and over. Now that I know the signs it is much easier to spot in other people as dementia is often misunderstood. Its all my humble opinion of course but I do think this is one of his problems.
He also reads the statements like a toddler now (in the old interviews he is MUCH more aware and articulate I am not praising him I am just noting the difference), constantly stumbling over basic words and sentences, while he nervously moves his body back and forth in a rhythmical pattern (like a child does when reading out loud). The difference seems to be very clear and even more scary considering everything.
TBA
(825 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)None of them have performed traitorous deeds against this country.
My educated guess is that Trump is a lifelong wicked slimeball who is now also experiencing symptoms of dementia.
Phoenix61
(17,009 posts)TBA
(825 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)This guy is too vain to even admit he needs to wear glasses, let alone that he has dementia.
unblock
(52,277 posts)First, is he competent to stand trial in a criminal court? At this stage the answer seems pretty clearly yes, but that could change in a year or few, and if he is tried in criminal court it could take that long.
Second, can it be a defense to say he had dementia *at the time of the alleged offense*? In theory yes, though I don't see them advancing a defense that admits he had dementia while president or even before he took office.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)The nickname was bestowed on Gigante by the New York tabloids in tribute to his bizarre street persona. The Chin, in a long and successful effort to dodge police and prosecutors, walked the streets of Greenwich Village dressed almost like a homeless manratty bathrobe, funky cap and slippers. The outfit was accompanied by bizarre behavior that ranged from chatting with parking meters to pissing on the street. It was an act worthy of Pacino or De Niro, and kept the Chin out of jail for nearly three decades. If there was an Oscar for best performance running a mob family, he would have retired the award.
So wait, in your opinion, was he really crazy or was it just an act?
Crazy like a fox was the FBI's assessment. Two different federal judges ruled he was sane as well. But the act itself was a thing of twisted beauty, complete with annual trips to a suburban psychiatric facility, the weird wardrobe, the loony antics on the Greenwich Village streets. The clothes helped make the crazy man, but it was Gigante who pulled it off in public. The performance was so good that it took the federal government seven years after his 1990 indictment to get him in court, and then only after endless psychiatric evaluations by an assortment of doctors.
It remains the single most brilliant gambit in the annals of organized crime, if not crime dating back to when Cain killed Abel. He's one of a kind, and one who will never be duplicated. To run the Genovese family in two centuries, despite constant FBI attention, was astounding. And to do it with the mental incompetency dodge is the cherry on top of the crazy cake. The mob will never see his like again.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gqpzk/the-strange-saga-of-the-odd-father-the-mob-boss-who-faked-mental-illness
Brother Buzz
(36,449 posts)he has Tertiary Syphilis, contracted during his own "personal Vietnam."
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,869 posts)While, like just about everyone else here, I'm not expert, but I'll go out on a limb and say no, he does not have it. And he's definitely not bright enough to fake it. Plus, he honestly believes he's always the smartest and most important person in the room. So his vanity would not allow him to fake it.
He's a narcissist, pure and simple. In addition, for all that he went to college and actually got a bachelor's degree, he didn't actually get an education. It's beyond obvious that he hasn't read a book since he last had one assigned to him in school. So what you see is a man who isn't all that bright, isn't well educated, has been surrounded his entire life by people who've catered to his every whim, all the while assuring him that he's the best.
It's my opinion that the decline in his vocabulary is a simple matter of "use it or loose it." Because he never reads and apparently only watches Fox News, he's not exposed to vocabulary beyond that of fifth grade. I'm guessing that latter, because I never watch Fox so don't have a take on their level of discourse.
People also keep on claiming he didn't want to be President in the first place, and lots of people said he'd figure out a way to quite before Inauguration, and once again you're reporting that he wants to quit. Nope. Not going to happen, other than resigning immediately ahead of impeachment and arrest for crimes. He LOVES the attention. He loves it that he's supposed to be the most powerful man in the world. Unfortunately, he's taken that (most powerful man in the world) to mean he can do absolutely anything he wants and that laws and the Constitution, let alone simple human courtesy, don't apply to him.
Long way of saying I think your friend is completely wrong here.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)A more reasonable assumption is that he is confused the way anyone would be if being in over ones head in a serious job they are unprepared for. Not only that adapting to receiving criticism and having to take direction from other people is beyond his desire or capacity.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)speculation into confirmation....there is something wrong w/ trashbag tRUMP.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)He's in a serious job that he is unprepared for, and in his coddled world he has not paid consequences for rewriting history. He rewrote his bankruptcies as successes, and he has been part of a genre of entertainment that sells stage managed entertainment as reality.
Dementia as a go to is a lazy narrative that ignores that our predicament is rooted in electing a celebrity who is unfamiliar with the practice of politics. It is voters who put him there. Many of his voters were drawn to his lack of experience in politics. His money and claims of success are what made him a "star." Really he's a used car salesman without even those baseline the gravitas much less what is required of politicians, but happens to be famous. We should remember that when people float names like Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama as potential presidential candidates.
His voters were not only bigots, they were naive to think that being famous and rebelling against common courtesy would make someone a good president. The long standing myth that a business model would be good for the presidency is also being debunked.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)A job only an adult can perform with the required sober intellect.
womanofthehills
(8,736 posts)He's a totally different person with a larger vocabulary. His verbal skills have definitely declined.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Vinca
(50,299 posts)He definitely doesn't want to quit because he has to outdo Obama in every way that he can. He's completely obsessed with getting back at Obama for the hilarious flogging Obama gave him at the Correspondent's Dinner. Don does not have a sense of humor.
bdamomma
(63,913 posts)he is a wanna be dic............tator and wants to be like Uncle Vlad.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...he's been stupid for decades, we now know. He's probably been a closeted white supremacist - now he sees demonstrating this as an advantage. He's always been demented.
elfin
(6,262 posts)Probably not decidedly scientifically clinical yet.... but on his way to repeat his dad's condition.
The repetition is a big clue for me who has had two friends succumb to this. Earlier on they would get into speech "loops" that repeated familiar phrases before somehow jarring themselves out of it to camouflage their deterioration for periods of time.
This is most evident when he goes off teleprompter ora somewhat prepared rally speech to repeat what he thinks are his "greatest hits" combative statements.