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I think Franken is setting a great example (Original Post) B2G Nov 2017 OP
He did a Fantastic Job Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #1
Not just Trump B2G Nov 2017 #2
Neither have I. Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #4
The USO story is ridiculous. Sophia4 Nov 2017 #8
Grope: feel or fondle (someone) for sexual pleasure, especially against their will. Perseus Nov 2017 #3
Many of us who know Al Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #5
I sincerely doubt anything he did was for forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #6
Yes, "groping" is an intentional act... Beartracks Nov 2017 #7
I agree rsong71 Nov 2017 #9
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. He did a Fantastic Job
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 02:48 PM
Nov 2017

during his Presser. Calm,to the point,did not duck a question and apologized once more. Did our POS of a so called President bother to do the same? NO!!!!!!!

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
8. The USO story is ridiculous.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:25 PM
Nov 2017

The accuser agreed to play a part. Being kissed by someone was part of the role, and we know that she allowed herself to be kissed by someone who was either playing the part of a stranger (a random soldier) or a stranger on stage.

We will have no romantic or satire of romantic comedy if the USO story is considered to be harassment.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
3. Grope: feel or fondle (someone) for sexual pleasure, especially against their will.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 03:23 PM
Nov 2017

I am confused about the allegations against Franken.

It seems that three or four women have come out saying that he "groped" them during photo-op shootings. By the definition on the subject line, how did he "grope" them? If all he did was place his hand on their butts, and I have to think that maybe, due to his height and the many people around, his hand may have been lower than expected, but from that to groping, which Trump has been explicitly accused of by many women, how does it translate to Franken?

I have to expand on the part of "feel", I don't think it is intended to be confused with "placing", feel means moving your hand around to get a "feel"...

Please correct me if I am wrong.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
6. I sincerely doubt anything he did was for
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 04:20 PM
Nov 2017

legitimate sexual gratification. I mean, football players pat each other on the ass because (I've been told) apparently that's the most appropriate place to attaboy someone where they aren't covered by padding and they will feel it. I guess when you're wrestling around in sweaty piles of large men all the time, you're not sensitive to casual butt contact.

I remember being around some extended family, and there were several men who had this thing for "goosing" people. If you've never experienced that particular form of comedy, it's literally poking someone between their butt cheeks through their pants to make them jump while they were bent over or otherwise distracted. They were literally going around poking each other in the butt hole for comedic purposes.

They did it to each other, they did it to their wives, and they did it to us kids occasionally if they had a good shot. It got to the point where at the barbecue or a group campout, you'd always check around you before bending over to pick up something off the ground. It always happened in a big group because that was funnier. Everyone would hoot and holler and nobody thought anything of it except "look how high he jumped!" If they could get someone to fall in the lake, even better.

At no point did anyone think anyone was molested when they did it. It was a dumb, embarrassing joke, and you rolled your eyes and went about your business.

I know that concept is totally weird now, but we all come from different places.

rsong71

(38 posts)
9. I agree
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 05:26 PM
Nov 2017

Did he just accidentally brush them as he placed his arm around their waist or shoulders to take the photo?

It is too easy to accuse anyone of touching another person. I'm sure I could be accused of something similar and I am a woman. Context matters. The accusers must come forward and share the complete story. What happened before? What happened after?

I used to investigate child sexual abuse. There was a protocol that must be followed when interviewing children. Where were they, who was in the room, what did they do, etc.

Anyone can accuse anyone of anything - there needs to be details about what happened in order to better determine whether or not it really happened.

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