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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOk my brother told me trump is not the worse president ever
Warren Harding has that title is what he told me. I replied ok Harding did not have nukes.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He did not attempt to dismantle and sell the entire country to our greatest foreign enemy.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Oh, did I just say that!
Bucky
(54,039 posts)His corruption was specifically centered around using public office to loot the national wealth. That's what the Teapot Dome scandal was, and it was just one of several scandals brewing (ha!) under Harding.
But, yeah, selling out to Russian oligarchs and mobsters is a heck of a lot different then selling the country out two American oligarchs and mobsters
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,850 posts)I want a president who is no way in the running for worst ever.
Caliman73
(11,742 posts)James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson are typically ranked among the worst presidents in US history. Buchanan for his inability and indecisiveness in handling the issue of slavery that lead to the Civil War, and Johnson for his inept handling of the post war period and failure to institute Reconstruction in any meaningful way.
Harding also gets a few votes for worse because of the scandals including Teapot Dome, The Justice Department, and the Veterans Bureau. For the time period, they were significant scandals.
It is too early to judge Trump, but it is highly likely that he will end up as one of the worst presidents just given his temperament and the people he continues to surround himself with.
Sneederbunk
(14,297 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)After his conviction and imprisonment, your brother's view might change.
TEB
(12,863 posts)Hitting the kook aid pretty hard no intervention on horizon
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)you meet up with at a bar? Seems like a bar would be a good place for an intervention.
TEB
(12,863 posts)He went to old country buffet with the boys and I. Thought Id take em to pillage the buffet their both thirteen ,and my brother stopped around before we left so he came along. And he has not gone home yet not sure why he is newly married since August.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)the secession of the confederate states.
http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/why-is-james-buchanan-considered-one-of-americas-worst-presidents
Harding is on the list, too - he wasn't especially corrupt personally, but his cronies were the worst sorts of grifters and he did nothing to stop them. The Teapot Dome scandal, involving oil leases obtained by Harding administration officials, was only the worst of several scandals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding
I'm sure Trump will eventually top the list of terrible presidents. In fact, I'm betting the ghosts of Buchanan, Harding, Fillmore and Nixon are already celebrating.
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Unless Harding's son met with German spies, and agreed that the Germans would help him get elected in exchange for Harding lifting the sanctions imposed against Germany in Treaty of Versailles, he was NOT worse than Trump.
edhopper
(33,599 posts)high treason. I don't want to hear any China or EPA bullshit. No one was more corrupt and he committed treason, prolonged the War costing 25,000 American lives, and untold Vietnamese, his actions lead to the genocide in Cambodia and he committed high treason by making a deal with North Vietnam to stop the peace talks before the election. Not even W can match that.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Hates him more than I do......
samnsara
(17,625 posts)Were whiter than wonder bread
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If Trump is in place for just over two years.
Poiuyt
(18,129 posts)Warren Harding is typically listed as the most corrupt president because of the Teapot Dome scandal, yet it was his Interior Secretary, Albert Fall, who took the bribes. Similarly, Ulysses S Grant was a good man surrounded by people who were corrupt.
Trump is unique in the way that hes using his presidency to enrich himself. Im not discussing his political policies or his personal behavior here, just the way that hes using the presidency for his personal financial gain. He never put his assets in a blind trust, as all of his recent predecessors have done. Instead, he turned over control of his business empire to his sons. They in turn, have been actively marketing the Trump name abroad. Trump continues to enact presidential business at his own hotels, clubs, golf courses, etc., and then charging the government for the use. The message is loud and clear that you can curry political favors by doing business with the Trump Organization. His spokesperson even actively promoted Ivanka Trumps clothing line.
Using the power of a political office for personal gain is the definition of corruption. When all is said and done, Donald Trump will be considered the most corrupt president in U. S. history.
I agree with others who said that Buchanan and A. Johnson were among the worst overall. Time will tell if Trump falls into that category.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)He has shown that he is incapable of learning, I fear that we are going to see what we have to lose....
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)But both of them were just naive fools in that respect. Personal corruption has probably been Nixon's forte, while sheer incompetence is really Buchanan. Jackson was arguably the most evil President the United States has ever had.
Trump might give all of them a run for their money before it's over, but he's not there yet.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Oneironaut
(5,517 posts)This is from someone who thought that people were grossly exaggerating when they said that Bush was the worst President ever. I don't think any other President will even come close when all is said and done.
dalton99a
(81,559 posts)Lower than pond scum
MikeydaDog
(140 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Have folks forgotten about him already?
Orange Free State
(611 posts)....quadruple them, and make him a classless obese geriatric misogynist, and he might then approach what we have now.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died as a result of that war.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)at the behest of a foreign power.
pansypoo53219
(20,986 posts)ronny reagan started the tax cut rot, georgee started wars on bullshit.
the GOP is NOT the 'loyal' opposition anymore.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Andrew Jackson (a State's Rights Democrat) being hell-bent on killing and re-locating American Indians.
Buchanan for expanding slavery (giant bastardry for a "doughface" who didn't even want the nomination).
Rutherford B Hayes for ushering in the Jim Crow era.
Woodrow Wilson for being a racist Klan apologist, segregating the military and ushering in Prohibition.
Warren Harding - A gambling addict who had a mighty corrupt administration (although, to his credit, he undid some of the racist hiring measures instituted by Wilson).
Calvin Coolidge, who arguably instituted what we now call "Supply Side" . . . although this stock market inflation was done with heavy leveraging, massive speculation and little regulation, causing a crash and subsequent Depression.
Herbert Hoover for making the Depression worse through conservative economic policy.
Nixon for launching the War on Drugs, bringing Lewis Powell on board, helped HMOs be instituted to stifle any talk of Universal Health care, not-so-secretly expanded the Vietnam War and bombed Cambodia . . . oh, and that whole hotel thing.
Reagan for . . . . well, geez, you got a couple of days?
Bush I for his recession and kicking off a 25-year murder spree of the Iraqis by not deposing Saddam and allowing terrorism to take over the country.
Bush II for . . . well, you got a couple of days?
This, of course, is all culminated by the ultimate embarrassment to this office - a guy whose sheer ineptness and gross misunderstanding of politics and government promises to usher in an unprecedented shitshow . . . if only he could get even ONE piece of legislation passed.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Orange Free State
(611 posts)....all the golf and tweeting. At least it keeps him from actually trying to run things for a small span of time.