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Ok my brother told me trump is not the worse president ever (Original Post) TEB Nov 2017 OP
Harding's corruption was small-time amateur crap. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #1
At least he had the decency to die and end the problems. madinmaryland Nov 2017 #12
Actually Harding's worst crime was privatizing selling off the government Bucky Nov 2017 #21
Whereas Trump's is big-time amateur crap. n/t Orsino Nov 2017 #28
That is a mighty low standard Sanity Claws Nov 2017 #2
Arguments can still be made about "worst". Caliman73 Nov 2017 #3
W could out worse Harding any day. Sneederbunk Nov 2017 #4
Well, that's an opinion given pre-trial ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #5
Not sure he has been TEB Nov 2017 #6
Don't most of your stories revolve around a group ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #10
No not today proudlib 72 TEB Nov 2017 #15
Many historians give that prize to James Buchanan, who did nothing to prevent The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #7
Unless Warren Harding was elected with the help of the Germans, in exchange for TrollBuster9090 Nov 2017 #8
Nixon commited an act of edhopper Nov 2017 #9
Glad my brother MFM008 Nov 2017 #11
is your brother an old white guy? samnsara Nov 2017 #13
48 TEB Nov 2017 #14
He will have a change of heart... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #16
Harding's administration was considered one of the most corrupt, but I think trump will surpass him Poiuyt Nov 2017 #17
Trump is in the running after less than a year. Thor_MN Nov 2017 #18
Harding had probably the most corrupt administration, with apologies to Grant for that Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #19
James Buchanan (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2017 #20
It's been less than a year, and Trump is already the worst President ever. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #22
He is also one of the worst human beings on the planet dalton99a Nov 2017 #23
Trump is not even close to being done yet. We will have to see. nt MikeydaDog Nov 2017 #24
George W Bush? oberliner Nov 2017 #25
Take Ws worst traits,.... Orange Free State Nov 2017 #32
The Bush administration started a war on manufactured pretenses oberliner Nov 2017 #34
Harding did not seek to destroy the USA stopbush Nov 2017 #26
the moron has trumped warren on corruption. pansypoo53219 Nov 2017 #27
Lots of presidents (many of them Republican) have sucked in their own special way. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #29
If you consider both policy mistakes and character flaws, very few Presidents don't suck. FarCenter Nov 2017 #30
At this point I dont mind.... Orange Free State Nov 2017 #31
Trump is a fermented Cheez-Whiz enema in a decaying skinsuit. Orrex Nov 2017 #33

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. Harding's corruption was small-time amateur crap.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:15 PM
Nov 2017

He did not attempt to dismantle and sell the entire country to our greatest foreign enemy.

Bucky

(54,039 posts)
21. Actually Harding's worst crime was privatizing selling off the government
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:05 PM
Nov 2017

His corruption was specifically centered around using public office to loot the national wealth. That's what the Teapot Dome scandal was, and it was just one of several scandals brewing (ha!) under Harding.

But, yeah, selling out to Russian oligarchs and mobsters is a heck of a lot different then selling the country out two American oligarchs and mobsters

Caliman73

(11,742 posts)
3. Arguments can still be made about "worst".
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:28 PM
Nov 2017

James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson are typically ranked among the worst presidents in US history. Buchanan for his inability and indecisiveness in handling the issue of slavery that lead to the Civil War, and Johnson for his inept handling of the post war period and failure to institute Reconstruction in any meaningful way.

Harding also gets a few votes for worse because of the scandals including Teapot Dome, The Justice Department, and the Veterans Bureau. For the time period, they were significant scandals.

It is too early to judge Trump, but it is highly likely that he will end up as one of the worst presidents just given his temperament and the people he continues to surround himself with.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. Well, that's an opinion given pre-trial
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:34 PM
Nov 2017

After his conviction and imprisonment, your brother's view might change.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. Don't most of your stories revolve around a group
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:53 PM
Nov 2017

you meet up with at a bar? Seems like a bar would be a good place for an intervention.

TEB

(12,863 posts)
15. No not today proudlib 72
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 07:14 PM
Nov 2017

He went to old country buffet with the boys and I. Thought I’d take em to pillage the buffet their both thirteen ,and my brother stopped around before we left so he came along. And he has not gone home yet not sure why he is newly married since August.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,792 posts)
7. Many historians give that prize to James Buchanan, who did nothing to prevent
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:40 PM
Nov 2017

the secession of the confederate states.
http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/why-is-james-buchanan-considered-one-of-americas-worst-presidents

Harding is on the list, too - he wasn't especially corrupt personally, but his cronies were the worst sorts of grifters and he did nothing to stop them. The Teapot Dome scandal, involving oil leases obtained by Harding administration officials, was only the worst of several scandals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding

I'm sure Trump will eventually top the list of terrible presidents. In fact, I'm betting the ghosts of Buchanan, Harding, Fillmore and Nixon are already celebrating.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
8. Unless Warren Harding was elected with the help of the Germans, in exchange for
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:45 PM
Nov 2017

Unless Harding's son met with German spies, and agreed that the Germans would help him get elected in exchange for Harding lifting the sanctions imposed against Germany in Treaty of Versailles, he was NOT worse than Trump.

edhopper

(33,599 posts)
9. Nixon commited an act of
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 06:47 PM
Nov 2017

high treason. I don't want to hear any China or EPA bullshit. No one was more corrupt and he committed treason, prolonged the War costing 25,000 American lives, and untold Vietnamese, his actions lead to the genocide in Cambodia and he committed high treason by making a deal with North Vietnam to stop the peace talks before the election. Not even W can match that.

Poiuyt

(18,129 posts)
17. Harding's administration was considered one of the most corrupt, but I think trump will surpass him
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:10 PM
Nov 2017

Warren Harding is typically listed as the most corrupt president because of the Teapot Dome scandal, yet it was his Interior Secretary, Albert Fall, who took the bribes. Similarly, Ulysses S Grant was a good man surrounded by people who were corrupt.

Trump is unique in the way that he’s using his presidency to enrich himself. I’m not discussing his political policies or his personal behavior here, just the way that he’s using the presidency for his personal financial gain. He never put his assets in a blind trust, as all of his recent predecessors have done. Instead, he turned over control of his business empire to his sons. They in turn, have been actively marketing the Trump name abroad. Trump continues to enact presidential business at his own hotels, clubs, golf courses, etc., and then charging the government for the use. The message is loud and clear that you can curry political favors by doing business with the Trump Organization. His spokesperson even actively promoted Ivanka Trumps clothing line.

Using the power of a political office for personal gain is the definition of corruption. When all is said and done, Donald Trump will be considered the most corrupt president in U. S. history.

I agree with others who said that Buchanan and A. Johnson were among the worst overall. Time will tell if Trump falls into that category.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
18. Trump is in the running after less than a year.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:25 PM
Nov 2017

He has shown that he is incapable of learning, I fear that we are going to see what we have to lose....

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
19. Harding had probably the most corrupt administration, with apologies to Grant for that
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:34 PM
Nov 2017

But both of them were just naive fools in that respect. Personal corruption has probably been Nixon's forte, while sheer incompetence is really Buchanan. Jackson was arguably the most evil President the United States has ever had.

Trump might give all of them a run for their money before it's over, but he's not there yet.

Oneironaut

(5,517 posts)
22. It's been less than a year, and Trump is already the worst President ever.
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 12:28 AM
Nov 2017

This is from someone who thought that people were grossly exaggerating when they said that Bush was the worst President ever. I don't think any other President will even come close when all is said and done.

Orange Free State

(611 posts)
32. Take Ws worst traits,....
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 09:45 AM
Nov 2017

....quadruple them, and make him a classless obese geriatric misogynist, and he might then approach what we have now.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. The Bush administration started a war on manufactured pretenses
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nov 2017

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died as a result of that war.

pansypoo53219

(20,986 posts)
27. the moron has trumped warren on corruption.
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 05:52 AM
Nov 2017

ronny reagan started the tax cut rot, georgee started wars on bullshit.

the GOP is NOT the 'loyal' opposition anymore.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
29. Lots of presidents (many of them Republican) have sucked in their own special way.
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 09:31 AM
Nov 2017

Andrew Jackson (a State's Rights Democrat) being hell-bent on killing and re-locating American Indians.

Buchanan for expanding slavery (giant bastardry for a "doughface" who didn't even want the nomination).

Rutherford B Hayes for ushering in the Jim Crow era.

Woodrow Wilson for being a racist Klan apologist, segregating the military and ushering in Prohibition.

Warren Harding - A gambling addict who had a mighty corrupt administration (although, to his credit, he undid some of the racist hiring measures instituted by Wilson).

Calvin Coolidge, who arguably instituted what we now call "Supply Side" . . . although this stock market inflation was done with heavy leveraging, massive speculation and little regulation, causing a crash and subsequent Depression.

Herbert Hoover for making the Depression worse through conservative economic policy.

Nixon for launching the War on Drugs, bringing Lewis Powell on board, helped HMOs be instituted to stifle any talk of Universal Health care, not-so-secretly expanded the Vietnam War and bombed Cambodia . . . oh, and that whole hotel thing.

Reagan for . . . . well, geez, you got a couple of days?

Bush I for his recession and kicking off a 25-year murder spree of the Iraqis by not deposing Saddam and allowing terrorism to take over the country.

Bush II for . . . well, you got a couple of days?

This, of course, is all culminated by the ultimate embarrassment to this office - a guy whose sheer ineptness and gross misunderstanding of politics and government promises to usher in an unprecedented shitshow . . . if only he could get even ONE piece of legislation passed.

Orange Free State

(611 posts)
31. At this point I dont mind....
Tue Nov 28, 2017, 09:40 AM
Nov 2017

....all the golf and tweeting. At least it keeps him from actually trying to run things for a small span of time.

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