I am a Bernie fan but voted for Hillary, and have been standing up for her when people blame her for losing
the election.

...stealing it from gore, continued in 2004 with kerry, and now again with clinton. And what has the party done but roll over to election theft. Hard to blame anyone else when you just let it happen.

We tend to think of capitalists and corporatist as monolithic but there are factions among the rich as well.

i don't believe she actually lost either wis or mich

Yes and I don't believe she lost WI or MI either...

who now take their orders from russia i guess

And the lack of truth and reconciliation post Nixon and Vietnam. Cheney and Rumsfeld were spawned of Nixon’s administration.
Until the republicans pay for their misdeeds there will be no justice.

elections in the u.s. have been had problems almost as long as we've had elections. the history of political parties "stuffing" ballot boxes, dead people voting, paying people for votes, etc. In modern times it is thought that LBJ entered politics on a corrupt election, and JFK's father is is thought to have fixed the vote in Illinois giving him the presidency over Nixon. GHWB is thought to have had a henchman fix a New Hampshire primary by electronic means. I'm sure others will have stories of election corruption by both dems and repubs.

Sure, Nixon's people resurfaced for GWB. And I agree, Nixon should have been prosecuted for any number of offenses, as Reagan/GHWB should have been as well. This represents the members of both parties maintaining the status quo, maintaining the illusion of democracy, and maintaining the power of the rich. Gore, in essence, committed a similar offense by not protesting the corrupted 2000 election, as did Clinton in 2016, all under the myth of "peaceful transition of power." Nothing "peaceful" about stolen elections (of note, examples are legion of u.s. imperialism not having the same concern for peaceful transition of power in other countries.)

2000 marked egregious coordinated theft on a large scale and involving sophisticated electronic manipulation of voting rolls and voting, a corrupt FL governor and sec'y of state, and a corrupt Supreme Court. Kind of a geometric escalation of run-of-the-mill American corruption.

2016 involved the introduction of foreign manipulation (for the first time, as far as I know) of an already massively corrupt system

and the pukes realized decades ago she was very likely going to run for president one day and so set out to poison the well by spreading propaganda phony made-up scandals starting way back then.

Do that for years and years and the average 'Murican will come away with a negative impression, facts be dammed.





Oh, and the kochs have taken over the country and are running it accordingly. It is a coup.

Maybe she could have run a better campaign? That would apply to anyone who has ever run for office, win or lose.
She ran well enough to easily carry the popular vote, and as far as the Electoral College, I think some trickery and outright thievery gave that to Dumpty.
Ways things are rolling now Orange boy should be out of office and howling at the moon quite soon.

Follow your heart in the primary!

Then back the nominee in the GE!

That has always been my policy! I've had to grit my teeth on some occasions, but I have always understood what the consequences of an R would be.

Too many NEVER seem to learn and are proud NOT to. F*ck them - every single one!

and Mueller just checked the GOP ... I wonder if the news of Flynn gave any of the repig senators pause before the vote, wondering "what's he holding?"

🤔

Wondering if and when they will be on Mueller's radar screen.

LOCK HIM UP and rescind the 2016 election results! This was a coup d'etat!

I demand to be made whole! Hillary should be president! She is the rightful holder of that office.

In a parliamentary system, the Prime Minister would be OUT faster than you can say "You're outta here, Bud".

Still don't know why people are not in the streets.

As I have said all along, the Trumpster is illegitimate, an imposter residing (off and on) in the WH. In 2016, we witnessed a political coup, engineered by the Trumpster's campaign and family members, the Alt-right/fascist brigade, the GOP, Leftist agitators, media sell-outs and Putin & Co. Considering the gale-force winds, it's miraculous that Hillary pulled off a 3 million vote advantage. But make no mistake the 2016 election was stolen deliberately, willfully and with malicious intent.

Never to be forgotten nor forgiven. I want all these creatures to do a perp walk. On their frigging knees!

Somewhat OT: But over the Thanksgiving Day holiday I was able to visit the Museum of the American Revolution in Philly. You want a reminder of why this fight for the rule of law is important, you could choose no better site. We are standing on the shoulders of giants, men and women of incredible intelligence, perseverance and foresight. They were the original progressives who put it all on the line over eight bloody years. There have been other wars but none quite like this one, a Revolution for the Ages.

We need to remember that, our obligation to our past and our future. And for those who would sell us out?

Lock 'em, up!

As the government and country became country concentrating on value - monetary and power.

Not to say that there haven't been giants since the Revolution but the downward drift in the lowest-common-politician has been pretty steady.

I think as the shit rises to the top it's time to have a big flush and start with some new, fresh, real talent. Perhaps with a mechanism to make sure people like the Koch-suckers can't pollute the well in the future.

This is exactly right, it was a stolen election planned well in advance . That's why McTurtle was so certain repugs would win, he knew Russia was spending billions to get this done in coordination with his party and drumpf was a willing tool.

I have been so irritated by all the blame dems and Hillary crowd here. She did not lose, the race was stolen, period. the end. WI had several districts where the votes outnumbered the total number of voters in that district, and all of them were in the repugs favor.
same thing happened in MI and I'd bet in FL too based on the weird way the votes came out. Take those 3 states away and HRC won it all, not just popular but also the states as well.

along with decades of gerrymandering, and the usual Republican voter suppression definitely swung the election to Shit-Head. Again, they knew this in advance and stole Obama's rightful SC appointment as the result.

It's time to go nuclear on these right-wing vultures. It's time to put our boots on their throats and not let up until they're comatose or dead. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

is dirty. It's the only way I can consider them coming out behind the curtain that their no such thing as a republican middle class. Voters fooled themselves so they may want to consider some self education.

I hope Flynn talks about the Republican Party and who assist who. They should have screened out Trump way before he got the nomination. They are dirty and I hope McConnell goes down

Obama wasn't fighting a different point of view for America, he was fighting, directly and one on one, Russian tools.

With voter turnout.

Apace or even accelerated. I'm really not sure that the 'uglicans have thought this through past their next bonus check from the Kremlin. Eventually they will all be out, flat out, without a place to call home. But until then, Давайте выпьем за успех нашего дела!

(Let us drink to the success of our project / business! - http://www.russlandjournal.de/en/learn-russian/drinking-toasts/)

Any reason you think Russian toasts are preferable to others?

For you to even entertain that idea shows how little you understand the FBI's strength and status.

There will be loads of long term damage and even if Mueller is able to unseat Dump, there will be a Republican President until 2021 and with gerrymandering, it will require a massive wave to take back Congress in 2018.

law can be repealed, since I learned that the ACA could be technically repealed as a tax law.

No? Could you link a source?

It's always more challenging to be elected President when your platform is to raise taxes. How many successful candidates have done that? It's easy for the other side to demagogue.

which is where the base gets its marching orders and lies from, with some help from fox

Nixon colluded with Ho Chi Minh. Humphrey lost.

Nixon committed impeachable crimes in 1972 election. Won re-election lsndslide against McGovern.

Reagan colluded with Iran. Carter lost.

Bush stole the 2000 election through election fraud. Gore lost.

Probably stole Ohio in 2004. Kerry lost (not to mention Swift Boat fraud).

We are so stupid as a nation that we don't care about returning leadership of the country to an on-going criminal conspiracy as long as we can hold on to our bigotry, bibles, and bullets!

Great post, deserves it's own thread.

No doubt about it. We are witnesses to history. Our grandchildren will ask about these days.

of rigged elections in 2016 and as a result the presidential election of 2016 is null and void, thereby, every thing that t-rump did and every fucked up appointment made is overturned.

Russian interference, Trump team collusion, media giving Trump thousands of hours of free advertising while buying into right wing memes about her, attacks from the far left as well as the right.

And she STILL won the popular vote but was up against Republican gerrymandering and vote suppression.

That's what con men do if you listen, goddammit. They tell you exactly what the scam is, if only you would listen. The next step is, you have to be willing to believe, but no one does because it just strains your credibility too much. The first time bloodsucker talked about the election being rigged AGAINST HIM was the tip-off.

Just wait. You haven't seen anything yet.

trump will be here until the congress decides he should go, which might be never.

After trump is pence.

After Pence is Ryan or whoever they slip in as vp after pence becomes pres (or in place of him if he goes before trump).

Then Orin Hatch.

Then Rex or his replacement at state.

So there is a long line of despicables.

I don't see why they need to rush. They have at least a full year to reek havoc, no matter which lunatic is the pres.

They subverted our election.

wouldn't it be wonderful if everything since then could also be considered illegitimate?

One can always dream.

knew that would get you to scroll down.

Crash the economy then leave Obama holding the mess.

This time - it's winner take all. This is the looting of the country, turning it into a US version of Russia.
Trump is the perfect distraction, fall guy, lightening rod, dumpster fire.

THEY DO NOT CARE. They serve money and that is the ONLY thing that matters.
Even when (not if, but when) the economy crashes, they'll come out even BETTER.

Impeachment is it. We don't have anything for stolen elections.

And yes, it's a race, but it's stacked against Mueller, cuz the GOP Congress is on the Con's side, for various reasons, one of which, I'm convinced, is that the upper echelons of the GOP are complicit in the Russian mess.

They all were 'close' to their Republican campaign crimes, some very close with Russian diplomat "good buddies"-

lock them up, lock one of them up this week.

every file and office space...

The active voter suppression in swing states was the difference and Russia isn't involved in that (unless they hacked voting machines).