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(50,303 posts)Plenty of room for the destroyer of CHIP, the ACA and medicare to fall lower than whale shit on the ocean floor.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)Just look at those numbers. SMH
handmade34
(22,757 posts)is wrong with 30% of people
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I predict he will leave with it hovering somewhere in the 20 percentile...
There will always be the diehards and racists and nationalists who think he is their Great Leader...
Larrybanal
(227 posts)I think he has a solid 30% base who will never change their minds (largely because they don't use their minds much)
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)as long as he sticks to pleasing the right wing base, unless the economy just tanks he's nearing the floor. Lets be honest here, everyone understands or should who DT is. He's been in the political spotlight for over 2 years, i would think most people would have made up there minds about him. And Bush got down into the 20's, but I know many repubs started to disapprove in like 2007 and 08 after he became "more liberal" w/ his bank bailouts and how he reacted to the economy tanking, not that his conservative policies helped to set up the house of cards for the fall.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)if, by base, we mean "approval ratings".
He had about the same level of support when he was bounced out of office, so, yes, it can be done.
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)KICK HIS ASS TO THE CURB!
underpants
(182,877 posts)but I could be wrong. This is really low and it can't reflect what happened yesterday and in the middle of the night.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)mobeau69
(11,156 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Donnie Sticky Fingers drops in the Twenties.
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)There's been a concerted effort at creating that third for 40 years and it continues today.
http://www.tribes.org/web/2017/2/6/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah
NNadir
(33,544 posts)...and the mere fact that an exceedingly uneducated lame-brained moron even acceded to the office of the Presidency is proof of that.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)I know trashing our entre nation for it's "ignorance" has been the popular go-to explanation, popular with some American self-haters , but it''s a lazy and inadequate explanation for this last election.
NNadir
(33,544 posts)I do agree that the Electoral College - which I regard as an artifact of the need to get slave states to sign on to the Constitution - bears some of the blame.
And I agree that appointing misogynists like Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose to interview Ms. Clinton also played a role.
And I agree that the Russian involvement - to the extent it was effective, something we still have not clarified - played a role.
I've spent most of the free time in my life, when not involved with family, in academic libraries. Most often I am reading hard science, but I have spent considerable time on reading in history and politics. While I'm not in anyway a professional historian, I feel I can hold my own in a discussion of the role of ignorance in human history; it rises and it falls, falling usually in response to dire realities.
This is an ignorant country, and as much as I hate to say it, being on the left myself, the scale of ignorance on the left - notably expressed as contempt for science masked by citing superficial pop culture readings and wishful thinking on dire subjects like climate change - is in some ways as bad as ignorance on the right.
I live in New Jersey, a state that went solidly for Clinton. It's not like I didn't see Trump lawn signs and bumper stickers all over the place even in New Jersey. They shocked me on one level but left me less than surprised on another.
I think the rote explanations you offer are, in fact, superficial. It's not a few bad guys; it's a nation that has been distracted and lazy and frankly myopic.
Are the artifacts of slavery, including those still operative such as the electoral college, in our constitution odious? Yes they are. But is there really a band of men and women in this country such as those who wrote this constitution present today in this culture? No, there are not. Now this constitution, written by men who cared about the future and about posterity, has survived for more than two centuries, and mostly functioned admirably, better than its authors might have hoped. This said, it is clearly inadequate for this age. But can a new one be written that might do as well? You think a nation with a Senate run by Mitch McConnell, a House lead by Paul Ryan, and a Presidency occupied by a very, very, very stupid sybarite is up to the task?
The last President to so severely divided this country as Trump has done was James Buchanan. Can we really expect another Lincoln to arise out of the ashes of his incompetence? I don't think so. I note that early in his Presidency, Lincoln experienced many major failures. In the tweet age, would he have survived in the office?
I mean, how is it that during this election we focused on crap like, um, emails?
Now I know a great many people who are not ignorant; and I recognize that Ms. Clinton - a superbly qualified individual who was relentlessly attacked on specious grounds - got the most votes in the nation as a whole, but the fact is that ignoring ignorance and minimizing its power has had a baleful influence throughout human history, scarcely limited to the history of the United States, in fact, is ignorance itself.
Our culture, unlike the culture of previous Americans, is a culture of fools.
Ignorance can be cured by something called "learning." But one cannot be forced to learn; one must want to do so. There are, as much as I abhor sexism and sexual harassment, deeper things that we need to address than "who grabbed whose ass."
I refuse to back down from saying that this is an ignorant country, because culturally, and intellectually, taken as a whole, it is.
Enjoy the rest of this Sunday.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:15 PM - Edit history (1)
That, unfortunately, doesn't make it so, and your lengthy list of , mediocre "reasons" is less than convincing.
What, for instance, is meant by "our cultures, unlike previous cultures is a culture of fools"?
Huh?...so "cultures"are now "generational" rather than, regional or socioevnomic? You might want to alert the media, or at least the Sociology & Anthropology departments, lol.
Riiiiiight...I,'d suggest you go back to the test tubes, honey, because your grasp on political and social realities is sorely lacking.
Enjoy the rest of your Sunday too.
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NNadir
(33,544 posts)I'm clearly not your "honey" and your grammatically incorrect question doesn't convince me of qualifications representing an an ability to decide who is aware of "political and social realities" or what they might be.
Thanks for the expression of contempt for science by the way, the silly "test tubes" remark. It obviates my point.
This conversation is concluded; may we not have another.
But again, have a nice Sunday.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)rather than the substance of my the post. Then again, criticizing "style" is a well known dodge of those unable to address the topic itself.
You see, for all your petty digs, you serm unable to explain that interesting new concept of "generational culture" which is the source of your "ignorance" argument.
As for the hyperbolic contention of my having "contempt" for science, I'd have to inform you of how unlikely a possibility that is given that my spouse not only holds two degrees in scientific subjects, but makes a salary well into six figures practicing it.
No, dear, I reserve my contempt for those condemning the supposed "ignorance" of others, while so blatantly displaying their own.
Now what is your"generational culture"" hypothesis again? The world awaits.
Akacia
(583 posts)I get so tired of it. Why not blast the electoral college, voter suppression, and Russian interference? Every time I hear people blaming everything but those 3 things my blood pressure rises! We can and should put time and energy into fixing those things rather than blaming voters. After all Hillary did win the popular vote!!!
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Stop conflating it with the whole country.. It's a lazy, knee jerk response. that contributes nothing.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)As long as the 30%ish approval rate includes Congressional Republicans and the disgusting slime administration around him, we are going to have to fight like demons to regain our Democracy sooner than much later!
Damn him and his mean assed ugly supporters.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)gordianot
(15,243 posts)The actual number of Nazi party members was around 9% (not counting substantial members of Hitler youth) circa 1945. It does not require that many hardcore monsters to make a monstrosity.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)opportunity to be chancellor in 1933 by the senile Hindenburg and the incredibly weak von Papen who were more worried about a communist revolt given the depression-era misery and Germanys insane inflation disaster which meant no work and that middle-class families were starving. Once in place Hitler used provisions that were already in the Weimar constitution to seize total control.
We obviously dont have a coalition style gov so extremely bad approval ratings for a dem or repub pres is extremely ominous for that party.
Needless to say 1945 wasnt a great year for Hitler...
gordianot
(15,243 posts)diva77
(7,656 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,861 posts)looks like Donald Trump's autograph..
mchill
(1,018 posts)so it averages from previous days, so the absolute value today could be less than today's rolling average.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Can we hit 29% by Monday ?
mchill
(1,018 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)call sheets. Hmmmmm.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)spanone
(135,873 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Trump has a little ways to go before he gets there, yet.