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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt. Does. Not. Matter. Not what trump says, what his minions say, what they do
sexual assault allegations, outrageous incriminating ranting and tweeting, foul legislation, lies, distortions, science denial....collusion...
IT
DOES
NOT
MATTER
There is no will to fight this corruption. He - they - have already been normalized.
Watching the media backtrack and implicate and judge as wrong they who they endlessly promoted - too little too late.
I wish it were not so - I hope Mueller is the answer.
But I am not convinced, at this point. Too much damage has been done - too much damage is being done.
If someone can convince me differently...I will be overjoyed. But watching a 33% polling idiot run roughshod over everything - watching a near full year of negative reporting -
IT DOES NOT MATTER. Or at least, it does not seem to.
DangerousUrNot
(431 posts)Damn that was depressing to read but it is reality. I want to say something positive but I dont know. The right has a lot of money to throw at people pushing their ideologies. On YouTube, the conservatives, libertarians and alt-righters are so popular and get so much money from the Koch brothers and Patreons. There are so many people that normalize trump and his behavior I dont know the answer. You have the mainstream media giving Trump free press and at the same time big online media personalities advocating for him.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... what don't leave it blank and if at all possible go paper ballot and pull out the dem base (black women and the working class folk).
sadiegirl
(138 posts)things about HRC and they gave Trump every opportunity to phone in his nasty racist promises. They really thinks we have forgotten what they said and did? Not me.
delisen
(6,044 posts)Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)Sadly.
They'll tell themselves if they can just survive this - things will get better.
They tell themselves if they simply keep their heads down - they'll go unnoticed.
They tell themselves if they don't rock the boat - they won't be attacked.
As long as there seems to be a way out - even as the door begins to close - the glimmer of hope exist.
Something bad happens - but you can still feed your family, still have a roof over your head - then they tell themselves it's not that bad. Even though hundreds, if not thousands, of people are losing their homes, are unable to feed their families. It hasn't reached you - yet. There's still time, you see. Even as the clock winds down.
And the thing is, your oppressors want you to have a glimmer of hope - you cling to that hope and you go into the necessary stasis mode your oppressors desire for you. Where your outrage is balanced by that sliver of hope you cling to - so you keep on keeping on along the path they have set out for you. If you just do this or that (all things your oppressor wants from you - keep your head low, keep your voice quiet, don't rock the boat, just survive this/cling to that hope ) - then things will change. (because, goshdarnit, they have to change, right?)
All the while your oppressors are rigging the vote through gerrymandering, voter ID pushes, and claiming voter fraud - creating more obstacles to change (the upcoming tax "cuts", gutting needed social programs, stripping education of well, actual education, pandering to ignorance and fear - creating divisions, etc..), and making conditions worse - causing people to feel lucky for whatever crumbs they have and too afraid to fight back lest something worse happens. Which it will, regardless.
There are exceptions, of course. I'm not speaking of those who refuse to adapt to anyone's oppression.
Things can get better, but it won't happen as long as enough people adapt to and make excuses for - all the bad.
But I'm a cynic, so...
delisen
(6,044 posts)I know someone who waited in line for 6 hours in Pasadena to have Clinton sign 3 books. While waiting she confronted that strange band of hecklers and told them they were sexists.
Clinton told her "never give up." We are not giving up. We are just getting started.
(Hey you have the beginning of a good novel there).
We are at the stage of dropping all of our illusion in the trash can. We don't need them. Travel light.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)I think things can get better - but we're fighting against those who are too afraid to try and those who have already gone over.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)imply that some people are considering to this
I thought we were fighters................sigh. You know this what they want to drain us mentality are we willing to do this and obey. Aren't we better than this???