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Orrex

(63,224 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:59 PM Dec 2017

Neo-Nazi Wealth is Rapidly Growing. Why? Bitcoin.

As if you needed another reason to hate this transparently artificial ponzi scheme.

In the past few months, the price of bitcoin soared to record heights, reaching a trading price over $11,000 per coin on Wednesday. Throughout this boom, white nationalist wealth has grown, with some of the country’s most virulent celebrity racists often raking in thousands of dollars in a single day.

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In short, Bitcoin remains your best choice when trying to sell child sex slaves, purchase cargo containers full of heroin, or fund your genocidal campaign of hatred and bigotry.


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Neo-Nazi Wealth is Rapidly Growing. Why? Bitcoin. (Original Post) Orrex Dec 2017 OP
How do they translate the bitcoins into U.S. currency? There is a law against shraby Dec 2017 #1
There are bitcoin ATMs now Egnever Dec 2017 #2
They sell it like any other commodities Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #3
Are you sure that's what the law says? "Legal tender" means that it must be accepted muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #22
Now that was really interesting ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #4
Who better to chase a "get rich quick" scheme? Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #18
True that. ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #26
As with many organizations, the leaders might live better than the other members IronLionZion Dec 2017 #40
I remember when these crazy people were buying gold. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #5
Many of these time wasters are now millionaires after a 10 dollar initial investment Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #7
You mean they own millions in bit-coins? Sophia4 Dec 2017 #14
No. Meaning they own millions of dollars. Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #16
The people who bought the bitcoins were foolish. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #17
You needed to buy them to sell them. Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #20
Many companies accept Bitcoin for payment, and the list gets longer everyday ToxMarz Dec 2017 #41
Citation, please Orrex Dec 2017 #24
Heres one Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #28
You wrote "many" Orrex Dec 2017 #29
Two Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #30
3-9 Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #31
So, on balance, not as good a return as Amway. Orrex Dec 2017 #32
Lol probably Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #34
But seeing how it went from 10 cents to 10 thousand in 10 years, i wouldnt be Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #33
LOL. Exactly. Orrex Dec 2017 #35
Until they sell the bitcoins, it's paper... Adrahil Dec 2017 #47
Agreed. Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #48
Clearly everybody else needs to get in on it and start pushing for Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #6
There are many YouTube stars who were on the left DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #8
my son says he can make bitcoins sarah FAILIN Dec 2017 #9
The bitcoins that he creates don't count for anything unless he's "selected" Orrex Dec 2017 #10
Bitcoin is no different than other fiat currencies in that regard. tritsofme Dec 2017 #23
Well, yeah...he might "mine" one bitcoin in a thousand years ret5hd Dec 2017 #11
Almost all Bitcoins have been mined already ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #19
Bitcoins have now been approved for trading HopeAgain Dec 2017 #12
That tells us one thing and one thing only: Orrex Dec 2017 #13
bitcoin futures Mosby Dec 2017 #15
Scam of the century BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #21
I must be the dimmest bulb on the planet, but I don't understand how bitcoins Vinca Dec 2017 #25
Think of it as a commodity that someone has declared to have value Orrex Dec 2017 #27
Like tulips, once. Hope the wannabe Hitlers all go broke. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #37
They don't exist. sarah FAILIN Dec 2017 #46
That's what I mean. But are there people dumb enough to sell gold for bitcoins? Vinca Dec 2017 #51
You cant advise anyone you like to buy bitcoin, keithbvadu2 Dec 2017 #36
I'll just address this to many of the commenters here: Don't be these people... tandem5 Dec 2017 #38
We certainly don't need to embrace every passing fad, either. Orrex Dec 2017 #44
The racists have been using the internet to their advantage. Initech Dec 2017 #39
When Bitcoin is at $100K in a year or two are people still gonna be hating? Calculating Dec 2017 #42
Give me a few thousand, and I'll consider it. Orrex Dec 2017 #43
In those case pushing them off traditional payment methods has backfired short term Lee-Lee Dec 2017 #45
What a rubbish post... JCMach1 Dec 2017 #49
Bitcoin is also the currency of choice in ransomware scams Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #50
Nazis and tax-cheats samir.g Dec 2017 #52

shraby

(21,946 posts)
1. How do they translate the bitcoins into U.S. currency? There is a law against
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:02 PM
Dec 2017

using things like bitcoins as legal tender in the U.S.
If they can turn it into U.S currency, they are money laundering somehow.
Or is that bitcoin laundering?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
3. They sell it like any other commodities
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

And they barter it for services or products in place of US currency and that is perfectly legal as long as they report any profits from that barter as income when tax time rollsa round.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
22. Are you sure that's what the law says? "Legal tender" means that it must be accepted
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:53 PM
Dec 2017

as a way to pay money that is owed. I doubt they'd actually make a law specifying bitcoins are not legal tender, because all kinds of things are not legal tender, ie people do not have to accept them. Canadian dollars are not legal tender, for instance. But that doesn't mean that people cannot buy and sell Canadian dollars using US dollars.

ismnotwasm

(42,008 posts)
4. Now that was really interesting
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:07 PM
Dec 2017

Although Nazis take a risk even with bitcoin. I hadn’t thought of Nazis using it specifically, as I tend to put them into the “economically anxious white working class piece of shit” category in my head.

IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)
40. As with many organizations, the leaders might live better than the other members
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:58 PM
Dec 2017

and claim minorities are keeping them poor

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
5. I remember when these crazy people were buying gold.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:08 PM
Dec 2017

It's a fad. They are wasting their time and money.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
14. You mean they own millions in bit-coins?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

Ridiculous.

Our currency is the US dollar.

The bitcoin is good only as long as the fools think it is

It can easily be undermined.

Read the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. Then you will understand why the dollar is a valuable currency. No country, no person, nothing guarantees bitcoin. It's just a personal agreement.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
16. No. Meaning they own millions of dollars.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:34 PM
Dec 2017

After selling their bitcoins through an exchange and receving millions from it.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
17. The people who bought the bitcoins were foolish.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:44 PM
Dec 2017

The people who sold the bitcoins knew what they were selling AND what they were buying. They sold bitcoins and bought dollars. Says it all when it comes to bitcoins -- in my opinion.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
20. You needed to buy them to sell them.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:46 PM
Dec 2017

Their value in us dollars started at 10 cents and they are now 11,000 a piece in the exchange

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
41. Many companies accept Bitcoin for payment, and the list gets longer everyday
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:06 PM
Dec 2017

including companies like Microsoft, Overstock, and Tesla. Yes you can buy a Tesla with Bitcoin, no need to exchange is for dollars.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
24. Citation, please
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:10 PM
Dec 2017

I've heard the same rags-to-riches story told about Amway, comic books and Cutco Knives, for instance.

How many bitcoin time-wasters saw this 100,000% return on their investment?

And how many time-wasters will suddenly be millionaires after buying $10 worth of bitcoin today?

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
34. Lol probably
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:45 PM
Dec 2017

Its a risky investment that can make or lose you a ton of money. Not a "good" investment by any means

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
33. But seeing how it went from 10 cents to 10 thousand in 10 years, i wouldnt be
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:44 PM
Dec 2017

I wouldnt be too surprised if it went to a trillion at some point.

Wouldnt be surprised if it went back to 10 cents overnight, either.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
35. LOL. Exactly.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:46 PM
Dec 2017

And if it hits one trillion, expect our Military Industrial Complex to identify a pressing security issue requiring immediate invasion of the trillionaire bitcoin owner's territory.


As investments go, it strikes me as slightly less stable than comic books from the 90s.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
47. Until they sell the bitcoins, it's paper...
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 01:19 AM
Dec 2017

.... or rather digital wealth. Until they dollars in their hands, it's not real. Like any commodity, they have a price, but no intrinsic monetary value.

DangerousUrNot

(431 posts)
8. There are many YouTube stars who were on the left
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:12 PM
Dec 2017

but switched to promoting right wing, racist ideologies because of the money. *cough*cough* Dave Rubin and Baked Alaska.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
9. my son says he can make bitcoins
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

By setting up his computers doing calculations for those using it. If he can make it like that, it has no value to me, yet people are "buying" it

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
10. The bitcoins that he creates don't count for anything unless he's "selected"
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

The powers-that-be choose the coin-creator by lottery, as determined by various factors, and then these bitcoins are "mined."


Bitcoin has no value except to the same extent that we all clap hands if we believe in Tinkerbell.

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
23. Bitcoin is no different than other fiat currencies in that regard.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:57 PM
Dec 2017

Granted, the dollar and the euro have much more enthusiastic clappers.

ret5hd

(20,518 posts)
11. Well, yeah...he might "mine" one bitcoin in a thousand years
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

using his home computer, but he's not gonna get rich doing it.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
19. Almost all Bitcoins have been mined already
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:45 PM
Dec 2017

The total number of Bitcoins will be 21 million. We are at 17.5 million right now. After investing in all the hardware to actually "mine" at a decent rate, you would never be able to make the money back in time. So, while your son is correct, no longer is it worthwhile.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
12. Bitcoins have now been approved for trading
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

On traditional US markets. I just heard that on NPR a couple days ago.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
13. That tells us one thing and one thing only:
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:21 PM
Dec 2017

That when the bottom inevitably drops out of Bitcoin, the 1% will be protected by the tax dollars of the 99%.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
25. I must be the dimmest bulb on the planet, but I don't understand how bitcoins
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:14 PM
Dec 2017

can even exist. And how could you convert your bitcoins to dollars you could actually use in a normal transaction?

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
27. Think of it as a commodity that someone has declared to have value
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

You give your dollars to the person who owns the commodity, and after a while you give the commodity to someone else who gives you more dollars.

And we'll all be rich before you know it.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
46. They don't exist.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 12:11 AM
Dec 2017

They aren't backed by anything. There isn't a vault of bitcoins hidden away in Kentucky.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
51. That's what I mean. But are there people dumb enough to sell gold for bitcoins?
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:44 AM
Dec 2017

That's the only way I can see how it works. Cash in the gold for real money and you've got something you can use in the real world.

keithbvadu2

(36,906 posts)
36. You cant advise anyone you like to buy bitcoin,
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:49 PM
Dec 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2017/09/14/is-bitcoin-another-tulip-craze-or-a-legitimate-investment/?utm_term=.6c59de8ce897&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Would you invest in Bitcoin, a digital, crypto currency?

“You can’t advise anyone you like to buy bitcoin,” Michael Farr, a Washington investment manager, said. “Upside volatility is always seductive. Downside volatility is excruciating. With no way to determine intrinsic value, any purchase is just gambling. If you want to gamble, go to Vegas. At least they’ll give you a free drink when you lose.”

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
38. I'll just address this to many of the commenters here: Don't be these people...
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:51 PM
Dec 2017


The scams and illicit activity that are associated with cryptocurrency are real, but the value of the technology is also very real. It will not be going away anytime soon. The creation of the internet allowed for unprecedented global crime to flourish. Social media and the spread of information and disinformation are threatening democracy at this very moment. We have to stop repeating this cycle of treating disruptive technology like a passing fad. We have to address it head on, understand how it can be used positively and negatively so that we can moderate and regulate effectively.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
44. We certainly don't need to embrace every passing fad, either.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:54 PM
Dec 2017

When I need to buy some tiger paws, elephant tusks, or rhino horn, I'll use bitcoin.

Until that date, it is no different from every other help-the-rich-get-richer scam.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
42. When Bitcoin is at $100K in a year or two are people still gonna be hating?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:19 PM
Dec 2017

This is one of those things where you can either jump on the train and make some good money with everyone else, or be that angry old guy shaking his fist and ranting about "dumb kids and their internet fads". I'm sure people also thought Netflix and Google were stupid, and don't even get me started on Ipods. I mean who would ever want that when you can just use your portable cd player right?

Not saying people should bet the house on it or anything, but at least put a few thousand into BTC and LTC and see where it goes over the next years.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
43. Give me a few thousand, and I'll consider it.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 05:52 PM
Dec 2017

As in give it to me, with no expectation of reimbursement or repayment.

Not saying people should bet the house on it or anything, but at least put a few thousand into BTC and LTC and see where it goes over the next years.
That statement is a declaration that you don't know how the actual world works. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the country is in no position to "at least put a few thousand" into anything, least of all a ponzi bubble on the verge of bursting.

Every money-making scheme--and every money-saving tip--that I've ever read, heard, or heard of begins and ends the same way: have more money.



 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
45. In those case pushing them off traditional payment methods has backfired short term
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:02 PM
Dec 2017

Most got into bitcoin because most other payment processors and systems like traditional merchant accounts and Paypal don’t want their business.

Bitcoin is unregulated with no controlling authority, so they moved to it.

And many are rich now because of that.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
50. Bitcoin is also the currency of choice in ransomware scams
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 03:08 AM
Dec 2017

I met a man whose business got hit. He paid, and his computers were freed. Half of the adventure was actually getting the bitcoin.

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