for MONEY

Everything my parents taught me about the corrupt govt, the Repub Party specifically, and how everything boils down to money turns out to be more and more true the older I get ....older but wiser I guess. I used to think my parents were exaggerating or being pessimists when it fact they are realists.

enforcing the Major Lie about Immigration.

Trumps morality and ethics in America. 'More important than our rights as human beings.

Nothing else matters.

Add the business schools to the reason for this mess. Markets 'trump' society in their scheme of things.

Said this atheist.

and ethics. We simply don't need the threats of hell and damnation to treat others as we would like to be treated.

But then, they worship RW Jesus, not the outdated one who condemns most of their behavior.

I thought the "we'll have to leave it there" formulation was an exaggeration in service of the "both sides" point. Then someone made a compilation video of all the times the chucktodds presided over some three-on-one lie-a-thon only to stop the segment right after three or four juicy whoppers in a row had been told by the conservatives on the panel.

Now they feign shock - Shock! - that Republicans are governing without any worries about being called out. The media taught them well that there were no consequences for lying your face off. As long as you were a Republican.

K&R...

We had better be VERY careful with this line of thinking and this message. THe Repubs and trump are trying really hard to discredit the media. Yes the media fucked up but we can't carry the water for the republicans and allow the media to become easier targets for them to discredit them now. We need them now more than ever.

getting the to do better. In fact, it's about the only way to get there.

while Comedy Central made money with the truth.

The already wealthy CEOs and owners who discovered that newspapers and news programs were starting to make a little less money decided to make deep cuts. They cut the behind-the-scenes people. Copyeditors, fact checkers, investigative journalists, and researchers in exchange for social media managers and the like to pore over the social media of newsmakers to see what they were thinking of feeling. Without fact checkers and copyeditors, suddenly you find more and more mistakes and lies passed off as the truth. Retractions are worthless and meaningless when the lie is big enough.

I've been on too many threads here where I was essentially told that trying to penalize lying is unconstitutional (freeze peach and all that).

If so, we're screwed.

If not, then let's make up our minds that lying is not acceptable.

they need to STOP LEGITIMIZING PROPAGANDA

The MSM's Achilles heel has always been that they're scared shitless of being accused of having a 'liberal bias.' It's their "just say the magic word" weakness that lets the GOP off the hook every time.

It began in the late 1980s, when conservatives stopped trying to win the battle of ideas, and just start WORKING THE REF (to use the sports analogy). It's a cheaper and easier way to get more bang for your buck. If all you've got are half-assed ideas, it's easier to reduce the criticism of those ideas, than it is to come up with better ones.

The MSM were intimidated, and reduced their criticism of lousy GOP ideas, and didn't call them out on their bullshit obfuscation of them.

For a decade (the 1990s) the MSM didn't call the GOP out on their lies at all. They didn't even fact check them.

Then, for the next 15 years (and only after the left started to complain about the MSM's obvious overcompensation in response to the 'liberal bias' crap) they started 'fact checking' the GOP (SOME of the time). But they never accused them of outright LYING.

We've not arrived at a point where the press is FINALLY labeling this for what it is. LYING and BULLSHITTING!

And, because the press has rolled over for GOP lies for 30 years, the contrast is striking, and to some people it actually SEEMS like the press is being hypercritical of the GOP. They're not. It's just CONTRAST. We've gone from a point where the MSM only called out 10% of the GOP lies to a point where they're calling out about 80% of them.

Well, I suggest the press grow a SPINE and just IGNORE the criticism and do their job! They wouldn't be in this position if they hadn't been such cowards in the 1990s.

Us older folks remember TV News from the old days.

15 minutes at 6 and 11. . .

They always have wingnuts on; if you removed the wingnuts, it would be an acceptable program

After GW Bush declares the earth is flat, the media will report it as:
Shape of Earth; Views Differ

of trump and Clinton.

I told my ISP that I will cancel my internet too if they gut net neutrality.

Made them write that in the reason for cancelling.

NO cable tv for 13 months, took the saving and bought three tickets to Portland, OR.

63 million Americans just got it completely wrong and should be ashamed of themselves.

No thought. No depth. Little effort to report truth.

It has been the Media default since actual, you know... TRUTH became optional under Reagan.