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orangecrush

(19,645 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:34 PM Dec 2017

Kirsten Gillibrand wants Al Franken, Bill Clinton to resign


Source: RawStory


BRAD REED
06 DEC 2017 AT 11:36 ET

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) on Wednesday said that it was time for her embattled colleague, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), to resign.

In a Facebook post published on Wednesday, Gillibrand said that, while she had long considered Franken a friend and a first-rate colleague, she could no longer ignore the multiple women who have come out and accused him of groping them or making unwanted sexual advances toward them.

Gillibrand said that the flood of stories coming out about powerful men sexually harassing women mean it is time to start drawing lines and she simply could not exempt Franken from facing consequences.

We have to rise to the occasion, and not shrink away from it, even when its hard, especially when its hard, she said. I have spent a lot of time reflecting on Senator Frankens behavior. Enough is enough. The women who have come forward are brave and I believe them. While its true that his behavior is not the same as the criminal conduct alleged against Roy Moore, or Harvey Weinstein, or President Trump, it is still unquestionably wrong, and should not be tolerated.

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Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/sen-kirsten-gillibrand-calls-on-al-franken-to-resign-enough-is-enough/



Gillibrand: Bill Clinton Should've Resigned Over Sex Affair

US Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand says former Democratic President Bill Clinton should have resigned over his sexual affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky 20 years ago.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-11-16/gillibrand-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-over-sex-affair


Thank God Democrats weren't stupid enough to fall for this Republican gaslighting in the Clinton years.
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Kirsten Gillibrand wants Al Franken, Bill Clinton to resign (Original Post) orangecrush Dec 2017 OP
This woman should never be a Democratic presidential nominee lunamagica Dec 2017 #1
From what little I've read orangecrush Dec 2017 #11
idiocracy AlexSFCA Dec 2017 #2
Sure looks like it! orangecrush Dec 2017 #3
Wrong! ananda Dec 2017 #4
Her statements orangecrush Dec 2017 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2017 #5
Gillibrand should step down first as a show of consistency. R B Garr Dec 2017 #6
We need Nancy Pelosi to step forth with a firm statement on this Orrex Dec 2017 #7
Yes, like "This will send a strong signal" or "We go high" TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #13
It's kind of dawning on me now... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #8
We shall all see where this goes in the meantime couple articles not about Kathy M Dec 2017 #28
Seems that "Me Too" includes men! yallerdawg Dec 2017 #41
I think Roan Farrow ( Mia Farrow ) son had the first article out Kathy M Dec 2017 #45
my take.. orangecrush Dec 2017 #29
Good luck telling women... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #39
It's hard to lose Franken. Consistency hurts. Bucky Dec 2017 #40
When is she up for re-election? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #9
Hillary should challenge her to get her seat back. R B Garr Dec 2017 #12
Kirsten Gillibrand should look up "innocent until proven guilty" or qualify her statement with L. Coyote Dec 2017 #10
I believe you just summarized orangecrush Dec 2017 #15
Deploying false accusers? Or defending our rights? L. Coyote Dec 2017 #16
Deploying false accusers orangecrush Dec 2017 #25
This is riight out of the Republican dirty tricks playbook. Where's Roger Stone? L. Coyote Dec 2017 #27
Hopefully Deutsche bank records orangecrush Dec 2017 #31
Unfortunately, she's correct loyalsister Dec 2017 #17
I have no problem with her statement AFTER orangecrush Dec 2017 #22
"but it's not a crime" is weak loyalsister Dec 2017 #42
well stated orangecrush Dec 2017 #43
Has she asked Trump to resign? Thrill Dec 2017 #18
If/When the Republicans do a hit job on her, she'll deserve zero sympathy or help. She's killed her OnDoutside Dec 2017 #19
Agree 100% flamingdem Dec 2017 #21
Yes, short termism wins out. It's disgusting. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #23
Gillibrand wants to run for POTUS as do others like Kamala Harris flamingdem Dec 2017 #20
The only people who want Franken to stand down are REPUBLICANS! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #32
Except the leadership so party politics is involved flamingdem Dec 2017 #34
I just want to trust her. Corgigal Dec 2017 #24
It must be another Bill Clinton.............. still_one Dec 2017 #26
Thanks, Bill orangecrush Dec 2017 #36
When they go low... dchill Dec 2017 #30
it has to stop orangecrush Dec 2017 #37
The political motives here smell just as bad... dchill Dec 2017 #38
Well she does not have very good judgment treestar Dec 2017 #33
She damn sure didn't mind when Big Dog and Hillary were helping her get to where she is. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #35
+1. She's a fucking hypocrite. Glad she's not my senator. beaglelover Dec 2017 #44

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
1. This woman should never be a Democratic presidential nominee
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:36 PM
Dec 2017

Has she asked for trump to resign?

I mean, with friends like this...

orangecrush

(19,645 posts)
11. From what little I've read
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:43 PM
Dec 2017

she is a good democrat on many issues.

She no doubt feels strongly on issues of harasssment, and rightly so.

There are times, however, when the smell test must be applied, and unity is a priority for survival, and this is certainly one of those times.

ananda

(28,885 posts)
4. Wrong!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:38 PM
Dec 2017

Why isn't she urging 45 to resign?

What about supporters of Roy Moore?

I wish Dems would stop turning on each other.

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

R B Garr

(16,995 posts)
6. Gillibrand should step down first as a show of consistency.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:39 PM
Dec 2017

She accepted the Clinton's endorsement to her seat as Hillary's successor, which makes her tainted by them. No taint! Get out now, Gillibrand. Your hypocrisy will not abide.

See how easy that is? This has gotten way out of hand, jeebus.


Orrex

(63,234 posts)
7. We need Nancy Pelosi to step forth with a firm statement on this
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:40 PM
Dec 2017

Oh, I don't know. Maybe a reiteration of her "impeachment is off the table" mantra, or something equally helpful to Republicans.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
13. Yes, like "This will send a strong signal" or "We go high"
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

or some such BULLSHIT.

We are DOOMED. From within.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. It's kind of dawning on me now...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:40 PM
Dec 2017

just how seriously women take this issue.

You got the wheel now.

Let's see where you are taking us.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
28. We shall all see where this goes in the meantime couple articles not about
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

politicians in Washington instead about Hollywood .

"Bryan Singer—a director with credits like X-Men, The Usual Suspects, and Superman Returns—was fired Monday from the upcoming Fox film Bohemian Rhapsody. He was dismissed from the biopic about the Queen singer Freddie Mercury (starring Mr. Robot’s Rami Malek) after he stopped reporting to set a week earlier, which initially prompted the studio to suspend production. But Fox is now looking for a new director to complete filming and oversee postproduction. The firing is the culmination of a long history of alleged unprofessionalism from Singer. Over his 20-year career, he’s been the subject of rumors detailing unannounced absences and friction with actors on the sets of multiple movies, as well as sexual-abuse allegations dating back to 1997."

"Twenty years ago, two separate lawsuits alleged that underage male actors were required to strip naked on the set of Singer’s 1998 film Apt Pupil for a shower scene; those suits were eventually dismissed for lack of evidence. Other allegations surfaced for Singer weeks before the release of X-Men: Days of Future Past in 2014. A 31-year-old actor named Michael Egan III claimed Singer, and a ring of other Hollywood power players, had groomed, given drugs to, and sexually abused him when he was between the ages of 15 and 17. Singer’s attorney called the accusations an “attempted shakedown,” and Singer himself called them “completely false.”"

the rest at https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/the-deeper-significance-of-bryan-singers-firing/547490/

"That “Gotti” biopic with John Travolta you were planning to see next week? Fuhgettaboutit.

Lionsgate has sold the mafia movie back to the production company Emmett/Furla/Oasis, killing the film’s Dec. 15 domestic release, according to reports on Tuesday."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-travoltas-gotti-movie-pulled-just-days-before-its-release_us_5a27c99ce4b0c2117626eb93

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
45. I think Roan Farrow ( Mia Farrow ) son had the first article out
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:20 PM
Dec 2017

Lots of open secrets for a long time ........

orangecrush

(19,645 posts)
29. my take..
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:07 PM
Dec 2017

Wait until after the ethics investigation to see if the accusations hold water, then call for Frankens resignation if they hold water.

Giving ammo to Moore and Trump supportersis extremely counterproductive to theses ends.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
39. Good luck telling women...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

they need to "cool their heels."

I think we are watching that ship leave the port.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
40. It's hard to lose Franken. Consistency hurts.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:31 PM
Dec 2017

His service to the Republic has been exemplary. His voice has been unique and truthful.

But if we're gonna lose Franken, this is the right time to do so. I hope he continues to speak out for our causes.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
10. Kirsten Gillibrand should look up "innocent until proven guilty" or qualify her statement with
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:43 PM
Dec 2017

IF the accusations prove truthful. I don't trust this situation one iota and find it equally plausible that Franken is being framed to defend Trump, Roy Moore, and alter the political balance. That would be the grossest sexual assault of them all, deploying false accusations to defend sexual abusers and keep them in power.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
27. This is riight out of the Republican dirty tricks playbook. Where's Roger Stone?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:05 PM
Dec 2017

.... would be my first question. My second would be, Has Trump been paying his bills all these years?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. Unfortunately, she's correct
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:51 PM
Dec 2017

If Clinton had resigned, Al Gore would have had an incumbency advantage in 2000. And, the GOP would not have been able to get away with grabbing a superior family values mantel. Dem paved the way when when Clinton framed it as a personal moral failing and private family matter. The GOP quickly used it as a generalization to smear Dems.

We either oppose the structure that protects powerful men when they are accused of sexual misconduct, or endorse/embrace it.

Bill Clinton could use his voice to help dismantle it now.

orangecrush

(19,645 posts)
22. I have no problem with her statement AFTER
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

Frankens ethics investigation, IF the allegations hold water, NOT a week before the possible election of Moore.

Also, I don't believe a President should be required to resign over a consensual affair, as there is no criminal act committed.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
42. "but it's not a crime" is weak
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:46 PM
Dec 2017

It is valid only if we want to Join the GOP in their low opinions of women and efforts to stifle our voices. Physical and interpersonal violations lie on a continuum. It is extended when people refuse to listen. And exacerbated when the victim is blamed. And worst of all protecting someone accused of sexual misconduct provides a sense of safety for the next guy.

There is no way to require a resignation for anything. Even when the conduct would get an ordinary Joe, or even an entertainment executive fired. It took a lot of white famous women coming forward for Weinstein to be held accountable. There is no way to fire politicians until elections. The system that gives them so much power is designed so that we rely on supporters and colleagues to hold them accountable. Republicans are happy to stand by their sleaziest politicians. If the standard is whether or not it is a crime, that lets Trump off the hook.

We are in a very unfortunate historical position right now. The elephant in the room is that a protector of a serial sexual predator lost an election to one. Two very high profile incidences could have inspired a me too movement if social media had been available. Anita Hill deserved more support than she got. Men have been shielded because it wasn't technically a crime, and even the most respected men probably had an ass grab in their own past.

Challenging the system that has protected powerful men for as long as we have been aware is uncomfortable, but women are demanding the challenge. To be taken seriously as a party that does support gender equity and awareness of injustice we should be consistent.

OnDoutside

(19,982 posts)
19. If/When the Republicans do a hit job on her, she'll deserve zero sympathy or help. She's killed her
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:54 PM
Dec 2017

own 2020 chances by a clear display of weakness and moral cowardice.

flamingdem

(39,332 posts)
21. Agree 100%
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:56 PM
Dec 2017

It's cowardly especially with such thin proof, why not let the ethics committee do its job?

Well, because she .. and others like Kamala want to get in the running for Potus.

For them it's good to see Franken out of the way since he might have run if cleared

flamingdem

(39,332 posts)
20. Gillibrand wants to run for POTUS as do others like Kamala Harris
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:55 PM
Dec 2017

They're using this to promote their standing in the race to come.

We should resist this kind of bullshit.

I will NEVER support either of them after this.

Plus I think they're weak compared to Franken.

Guess what this is why the GOP wants him gone, he's intelligent and effective.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. The only people who want Franken to stand down are REPUBLICANS!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:09 PM
Dec 2017

I don't know any Democrats, or even Democratic women who want Franken to step down. How will standing up for him hurt them. Nobody with half a brain believes this right-wing hatchet job is the truth. I can't believe these people. When are the Democrats going to grow a spine!

orangecrush

(19,645 posts)
36. Thanks, Bill
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

for the best 8 years of my life.

Obama might have been, but that was too much to expect after Bush emptied the Treasury into Halliburton's pockets.

History will ask how a people could turn on a President who gave them peace and the longest economic expansion in American history over a consensual affair.

onecaliberal

(32,931 posts)
35. She damn sure didn't mind when Big Dog and Hillary were helping her get to where she is.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:12 PM
Dec 2017

I have lost all respect for her. Her silence on Moore, and Dump is also speaking volumes.

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