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Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
10. Viet Nam, LBJ, Civil rights tore apart the Dem party. Much worse than now.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:14 AM
Dec 2017

Riots in the street, Kent State shootings.
Boys refusing to go to war, refusing the draft.

Earlier, JFK sent in federal troops to desegregate the schools in Alabama
and faced off with a defiant democratic governor, George Wallace.

I could go on and on but you get the drift here.

Glorfindel

(9,732 posts)
2. Well, of course they are. They want to destroy government. They make no bones about it.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:38 PM
Dec 2017

Grover Norquist: "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." Interview on NPR's Morning Edition, May 25, 2001

The Repukes don't keep their aims secret. It's just that we Democrats think they don't "really" mean what they say. And if we just give in a little bit more, throw another five or six decent Democrats under the bus, the Pukes will start to play nice with us.

They won't. We learn this and act accordingly, or first the Democratic Party and second the United States of America cease to exist.

Definitely not a good combo.

enough

(13,262 posts)
6. Actually, the way this was handled by the Democrats also attacks our governmental
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:45 PM
Dec 2017

institutions. The have explicitly said that this is a "moment of cultural change," so they have decided that they can unilaterally remove an elected official from office on the basis of unsubstantiated accusations just because they have some feeling they want to be on the "right side" of an issue.

I think the constitutional issue in this removal hasn't even begun to be thought about. The way these senators are justifying calling for Franken's removal basically come down to "this bothers us, so you, an elected Senator, have to leave." They've made no provision for actually determining the truth. It's not only Republicans who are playing fast and loose with our institutions.

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