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So zis is zee plan
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/07/politics/kirsten-gillibrand-2020-sexual-assault/index.html
Washington (CNN)When Democrats have faced uncomfortable questions about their own bad actors, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand has now twice answered first.
The New York senator's Facebook post Wednesday calling on Democratic Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota to resign in the wake of sexual assault allegations led to dozens more party leaders issuing the same call within hours.
It came weeks after she'd made headlines when asked about Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct. Gillibrand said that -- if that misconduct happened today -- she'd want Clinton to resign the presidency.
Widely seen as a prospect for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, Gillibrand's moves against leading figures in her own party have positioned her to turn her focus to Republicans and make an aggressive case against Trump.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)to win
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The media need to fill time 24/7, but just what they fill it with provides endless opportunity for scoundrels.
Vogon_Glory
(9,127 posts)wanted to turn the presidential election into a horse race instead of what was good for our country.
Those @$$holes did it in 2016 and theyll want to do it again.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)?
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)NBachers
(17,135 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Kochs might just fund that one too!
NBachers
(17,135 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)I can't wait
msongs
(67,438 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She's another one who joined for "money & media."
Much luck to her opponant
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)Just no.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,193 posts)I'd choose Michelle Obama. She might bring back some pissed-off Democrats after the Franken shitshow.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)a bone might be thrown
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She can't announce too soon.
Then there's that Corporatist, Wall Street problem with Big Tobacco.
Good luck .
NBachers
(17,135 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)on Franken and leading the charge against him.
Now she just seems like an ambitious but gullible person who who didn't back her colleague in getting a hearing.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)We need to see that list again.
I do hear you. I am too suspicious of her.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)for 2020
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)I'm going with Adam Schiff.
He's not on the list is he?
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)plus Ted Lieu who's my rep but I think he's foreign born.
He's got the chops though, he loves a good attack.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)I need to exit this political business for a month.
Maybe return after christmas.
Or when Mueller drops some serious indictments..
Btw, here's a condensed list of what he's got on Manafort. We can probably just say that Paul is up a creek.
Can you imagine facing this? His attorney must be saying, " dude, you are screwed"!!
Eric Garland Retweeted
Evan Rosenfeld
Evan Rosenfeld
@Evan_Rosenfeld
Fed prosecutors to share following w/ Manafort/Gates attys:
- 2K docs govt deems to be most relevant to case
- 400K relevant emails, financial records, corporate records, vendor records
- copies from 36 electronic devices
- copies of 15 search warrants/seizures + probable cause
More at link...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Evan_Rosenfeld/status/939212328750292992
😭 Merry Christmas to Paul Manafort's attorneys.
I did not know he was foreign born. I have really been loving his fearless condemnation of Trump.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)But very much a star in the US military
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Me, I would love an E. Warren, C. Murphy ticket but demographics are wrong...I wouldn't mind an Amy Klobuchar/Chris Murphy ticket...
I am always glad to hear Adam Schiff when he comes on the political talk shows. He just sounds like a really decent guy...
diva77
(7,652 posts)snip
Democratic senators who had not yet called on Franken to resign: Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, Ben Cardin of Maryland, Chris Coons of Delaware, Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Mark Warner of Virginia.
Coons, Shaheen and Schatz cannot comment due to the pending investigation before the Ethics Committee.
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I don't know whether there have been updates since this was posted.
Yah, I'm on board with Schiff for Pres. 2020!!!!!
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Democrats do have some fine Senators, don't we.
And our Congress Reps are A-list also.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)There are some good ones on there
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)As usual when something is controversial Amy did her best to issue a vague statement rather than take a stand. I'm afraid we're going to get stuck with another senator like Amy rather than a fighter like Franken.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)Interesting that she slithered out of being on the final list
spooky3
(34,468 posts)thought he would "do the right thing."
spooky3
(34,468 posts)He loves taking on the right wingers in VA even though he doesnt have enough power to win every battle.
I did not like him much before he was elected, but he has been a good governor.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)As I was not impressed with him in the past. My concern right now is who the next senator from Minnesota will be.
spooky3
(34,468 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)He's not very fiery but that might be a plus
Warner maybe
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Which disappointed me because I like her a lot.
So 38 Senators called for his ouster. That means that only 10 Democrats didn't. One of them is Franken himself, so that number drops to 9. 3 of them are on the Senate Ethics committee, and couldn't discuss it, so that number drops to 6. And Klobuchar is his fellow Senator from Minnesota, so her circumstances are different. And she was pretty half-hearted, as pointed out below. So I am dropping the number to 5.
Here are the five Senators who really did the right thing: Richard Blumenthal, Tim Kaine, Joe Manchin, Chris Van Hollen and Mark Warner.
I look forward to Chris Van Hollen being chosen as Senate Majority leader in 2028.
delisen
(6,044 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)I sense a pact between Gillibrand and Schumer. I hope he gets smart fast about that from this debacle.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)Go away.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)I was going to stay off DU for a month.
Especially since in my fury I managed to get 2 posts hidden.. but here I am again
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)And I'm right back at it. We will never learn.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)Several usernames!
msongs
(67,438 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)This country is rollin over the edge & bouncing down the slope..
The only one that'll land us upright & in a soft green meadow is Robert Mueller.
Putin is laughing his ass off at the success of his organized chaos.
Makes my head hurt.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)Bill Clinton Should Have Resigned Over Lewinsky Affair, Kirsten Gillibrand Says
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER | NOV. 16, 2017
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Democrats, RESIGN!
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)How bout this time, we have a candidate from the west coast.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Wonder why this Dem Senator would attack Dems?
Hmmm
Ya, we see you Senator G
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)dalton99a
(81,570 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Al Frankens face looked like the rung on a ladder. hmmm
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)Now why was this article written?
The other tell is how fast Schumer jumped on board. Apparently he was hounding Franking all day by phone to get him to agree to resign the next day. Schumer and Gillibrand both NY, wonder if they have a pact of sorts.
peequod
(189 posts)~Act I, Sc. 2, Shakepeare's Hamlet
Try not to trip over Al's body on your way to the primary, Sen. Gillibrand. Wish to hell Al had told her and the Dona Quixote Dems jousting at old sight gags and State Fair Hugs to pound sand, do your jobs, and focus on your own damn state's affairs.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)Quite vanquish'd him: then burst his mighty heart.
Ah this dram of evil sticketh thee to the affaires of NY, good idea.
peequod
(189 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)jalan48
(13,881 posts)Luciferous
(6,085 posts)peequod
(189 posts)Sen. Gillibrand has overstepped her authority and needs to be reigned in. Since old Chuck was in on the betrayal of Al, due process, and party unity, I'll do whatever I can to help primary her puritanical, Inspector Javert ass.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Bernie 18%, Kampala 17%, warren y15%, Biden 13, kg 12
Prediction markets arent perfect but theyre better than the opinions of individuals. I think theyre proven to have some accuracy.
greyl
(22,990 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)They are extremely one sided against what she did.
peequod
(189 posts)...and questioned all of the negativity as some concerted, suspicious act. I let her know that many rank and file Democrats, which her precious Senator is completely out of touch with, are *furious* at her for her leadership role in slicing Als throat in order to gain a win in her crusade for righteous political purity.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)She's lost the support of the rank, file and quite a few others!
SeaDoo77
(540 posts)Screw Senators!
Denzil_DC
(7,255 posts)They got Franken. He's gone soon enough. Not in the way any more.
Now I expect full-bore intercontinental heavy artillery aimed at Trump and Moore 24/7, starting NOW.
Because if this is what it was all about and what it cost, it had better be a goddamn knockdown fight with no holds barred, huh?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)do.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)There's a 45% chance I'll forgive them
If not I'll see them as buffoons
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Disappointing.
tirebiter
(2,539 posts)I thought Gillibrand was about dealing with sexual abuse in the army but nothing has come up about righting that wrong.
Get to it politician. Impress me, a Democratic voter, and I'll be on the team.
Rhiannon12866
(205,927 posts)And while I'm really disappointed in her over her stance on Al Franken, her criticism of President Clinton totally baffles me. She was a complete newcomer when she ran for Congress back in 2006 - in a district (NY-20) that hadn't had Democratic representation maybe ever. But President Clinton came to the district to campaign for her and it had to have made a difference. There was SRO at the rally they held - in a traditionally Republican area. The crowd loved him - and she won. I was there.
tavernier
(12,398 posts)Its called opportunism. Id wager that shes stepped on a lot of people on her way to her goals.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)longer. He has no more use for her.
Rhiannon12866
(205,927 posts)The place was packed - and it was held at the airport - since it's not every day a POTUS comes to town. And, of course, he's a charismatic speaker, completely charmed the crowd. Since this was in 2006, it took place well after he was in office. I remember reading in the paper that the incumbent Republican "could have the job for life," if he wanted it. But she won - with both Clintons in her corner.
oasis
(49,401 posts)Sunsky
(1,737 posts)make it through the primaries? I think she has miscalculated this one.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)Hillary: "Okay... You're next!"
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Dream on
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)On a side note I see they dressed alike. Was there a full throttled passing of the baton going on back then? I didn't pay much attention to Gillibrand at the time.
dembotoz
(16,826 posts)dalton99a
(81,570 posts)dlk
(11,575 posts)Gillibrand is an active crusader for women's safety. I have no doubt she cares deeply about victims of sexual assault and has worked hard in the uphill battle for better outcomes for victims. However, I also believe going after Franken was a poor choice with evidence showing this was a setup by dirty tricksters. This will make her judgment come into question and would be an issue in any future presidential runs.
Joining the Republicans in continuing to re-litigate Bill Clinton's cheating is also a losing argument. Yes, he cheated on his wife and yes, that was wrong. Republicans spending over $70 million of taxpayer dollars to impeach him was even more wrong. I am not in any way advocating infidelity. However, if everyone in Washington who has cheated had to resign, how many men and women would actually be left in office? There's such a thing as going too far. Republicans have made it their business to routinely go too far. Democrats should do better.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)Figures vary but let's face it humans are human. We can't expect our reps to be nuns!
spooky3
(34,468 posts)(or "thoroughly" ) and we all know the outcome, and that her concern is where we are today and going forward. I think you're right about her caring deeply about certain issues, but she does not appear to be principled or savvy to me. She appears not to have figured out how to push forward to get changes made in the most effective AND morally acceptable (or better) ways.
Demsrule86
(68,644 posts)The only way I would vote for her is if she was the nominee and she would lose anyway...because this will never work. We need someone who can appeal to the rust belt...
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)then Schumer who was playing NY politics and hoping Gillibrand could lead a charge against the R's (why did he believe this???).
Then Kamala Harris jumped on board right after Gillibrand from what i read then. Makes me sad since she's my Senator. Just hoping she thinks before jumping the shark next time and makes a statement to that effect. Otherwise I've cooled considerably on her and I believe she had Potus aspirations.