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Egnever

(21,506 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 08:05 AM Dec 2017

When they go low how long can we stay high

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/12/the_republicans_have_built_an_uneven_playing_field_of_morality.html


Al Franken, many argue, should now resign. He should resign immediately because there are credible accusers (another emerged Wednesday), and because the behavior alleged is sufficiently abhorrent that there is simply no basis to defend him. In this parade of unilateral disarmament, Trump stays, Conyers goes, Moore stays, Franken goes.

Is this the principled solution? By every metric I can think of, it’s correct. But it’s also wrong. It’s wrong because we no longer inhabit a closed ethical system, in which morality and norm preservation are their own rewards. We live in a broken and corroded system in which unilateral disarmament is going to destroy the very things we want to preserve.

You can talk about gradations of harm—what Franken is accused of still pales next to child predation—but even that is a trap. The point is, as Jennifer Rubin notes Tuesday, that “one party has adopted a zero-tolerance position (with Sen. Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, set to go before the ethics committee) and another party opens its arms to people it believes are miscreants.” Rubin feels confident that becoming the party of alleged sexual abusers will harm the GOP in upcoming elections (did she live through last November?). My own larger concern is that becoming the party of high morality will allow Democrats to live with themselves but that the party is also self-neutering in the face of unprecedented threats, in part to do the right thing and in part to take ammunition away from the right—a maneuver that never seems to work out these days. When Al Franken, who has been a champion for women’s rights in his tenure in the Senate, leaves, what rushes in to fill the space may well be a true feminist. But it may also be another Roy Moore. And there is something deeply naïve, in a game of asymmetrical warfare, and in a moment of unparalleled public misogyny, in assuming that the feminist gets the seat before it happens.


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demmiblue

(36,875 posts)
2. Sorry, but the Dems didn't go high regarding Franken, they went low. Really low.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 08:16 AM
Dec 2017

Which is why so many are pissed off.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
6. exactly, what they did to Franken and the women who support him was very LOW LOW LOW. and all so
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 08:56 AM
Dec 2017

they can run in 2020 on claims of being morally superior.

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
5. Democrats are caught up in their own brand of self-righteousness.
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 08:49 AM
Dec 2017

Taking the high ground sometimes has impure motivations. It is sometimes just wanting to feel superior. And as far as the whole mess with Al Franken is concerned, I think this may turn out to be a colossal mistake. It is very possible that some right wing nut is going to end up in that seat. Minnesota isn't as safe as people want to believe. So what will Sen. Queen Bee Gillibrand say if that happens? "Well, we may have a senator who wants to reverse Roe v. Wade, gut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, starve schools for money and resources, give tax breaks to zillionaires, and destroy the environment....but hell at least we don't have Al Franken around"

How does that do any good for anyone?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Zero tolerance is a bad term for this
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 08:57 AM
Dec 2017

Zero tolerance should refer to those who have been established to have done something.

It's not zero tolerance. It is tolerance of allowing any accusation to be enough.

BaileyBill

(171 posts)
8. Even if Sen. Gillibrand has zero skeletons in the closet,
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 09:49 AM
Dec 2017

it won't stop the Republicans from making stuff up when it's her turn. Hope she has some friends left.

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