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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump will fire Mueller. Its actually the pragmatic decision for him.
I hate to say it, but Im honestly starting to think that from a coldly pragmatic perspective, Trump should fire Mueller.
The risks for him dont appear all that high to me - some Republicans would wring their hands, and a few would loudly complain, but it certainly doesnt seem like theyd actually break ranks and impeach him. The Democrats have no power to hold Trump accountable, so what would he lose? The respect of moderates? Does that seem likely to stop Trump?
His diehard supporters would back him, using endless what about logic : what about Hillarys emails/uranium sales/pizza connections?, what about Obamas Muslim Brotherhood ties?, what about the FBIs well known pro-Democratic biases? Why should Trump be held accountable for crimes when Democrats always get let off?
Then Republicans will circle the wagons, loudly saying that the FBI is a puppet of the Russophobic liberal Deep State and that theres no reason to trust the FBI over Trump. Someone, somewhere will find something Mueller or an individual on his team said about Trump, or some dust mote sized speck of dirt, and that will be endlessly feted as proof that the Bureau is hopelessly corrupt.
It would look bad if Trump fires Mueller, and hell surely take criticism for it, but it also looks bad if theres a stream of indictments and guilty pleas affecting his inner circle for the next year or three.
From a cold practical perspective, Trump may as well take the heat in one fell swoop.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)agincourt
(1,996 posts)I think it is coming soon myself.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)and lead to him being put on trial for obstruction of justice. I wouldn't try to predict anything Trump would do, but as long as he is in office there is a question as to whether a sitting president can be indicted. Firing Mueller would put great pressure on congress to impeach him.
MatthewG.
(362 posts)Kaleva
(36,307 posts)Then the Dems would be in position to impeach and convict him.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)if Trump can stop the investigation and Republicans do nothing.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)CA, NY and New England states will be the first to go.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)We will never be a United country with such a huge segment of cult-worshipping morons and Republican criminals. I support a division of the US with Blue states either forming a new union, or joining Canada.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Who gets the nukes?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)We're a blue urban/red rural (and purple suburban) country.
There's cities in Texas that are as liberal as any on the West Coast and rural parts of California that are crimson red and hostile to anything Democrat.
This makes secession a little complicated.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Alabama may have some liberal Democrats in it, but the State will likely never be a cultured, progressive State. Guess people would have to decide if they want to stay in their largely Red dominated states, or move to the northern states.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)The people most outraged by this have already sent Democrats to DC. You think anyone who voted for Trump will give a shit if Mueller is fired?
Trump's lousy "tax cuts for everyone" plan is what will cost the Republicans Congress. But even our best case scenario, there won't be the votes in the Senate to ratify impeachment.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)We can neuter the orange ape
After all the screaming and noise dies, the only practical bad side to Trump firing Mueller would be that some centrists and moderates might come aroubd to really disliking him.
Anyone seriously think that Trump cares about that?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)no
Yonnie3
(17,443 posts)I think he is aware of that. He is obsessed with his image. He knows that firing Comey didn't make the investigation go away. He knows that Mueller will most likely hurt his image as more and more comes out. He is doing a tightrope walk. I suspect his anger at Mueller will eventually make him lose his cool and he will fire Mueller. I don't think the R's would impeach. He will opt for the short term solution and suffer in the long term. If he takes this action it will hurt the Repubs in the midterms. The longer he waits, the less time they will have to spin it before the midterms.
What I am trying to say, is that there is not much of a short term risk to him as compared to a long term risk. He does seem to be very short sighted.
One can only guess at what a dotard will do.
brush
(53,784 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 9, 2017, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)
People will take to the streets in multiple cities in massive protests that won't be one-day events.
The deplorables will all also and there will most likely be violence between right wingers v antifa, and regular people outraged that trump would make an attempt to stop his crimes from being exposed.
National Guard will be called up, the country's future will teeter on the brink.
Who knows if it will survive such a blatant attempt to subvert justice?
MatthewG.
(362 posts)There would be a reaction, and it might hurt him in 18 and 20.
But Trump seems to thrive on chaos. Id guess he picks chaos and an uncertain future over an investigation that will definitely keep causing him stress and headaches.
Chipper Chat
(9,680 posts)By 2 million concerned Americans might do it.
MatthewG.
(362 posts)Yavin4
(35,441 posts)They will call it the Christmas massacre.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Trump will shrug his shoulders and plead ignorance. "I wanted the investigation to continue."