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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:14 AM Dec 2017

Remember the propaganda approach: it is to stoke anger on BOTH sides

(These are older articles, but they illustrate this propaganda method. Watch out for it everywhere -- including here on DU)








In this case:

pro-Gillibrand, anti-Gillibrand

pro-Franken, anti-Franken


Watch out!
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Remember the propaganda approach: it is to stoke anger on BOTH sides (Original Post) sharedvalues Dec 2017 OP
That doesn't seem to be the case with that topic today. CentralMass Dec 2017 #1
Lots of posts with many replies taking both sides on Gillibrand and Franken. Yes, it is. sharedvalues Dec 2017 #3
Mostly from members that have been around here for years. CentralMass Dec 2017 #6
No agreed - but were they influenced by trolls (right-wing or otherwise)? sharedvalues Dec 2017 #8
I posted some supportive threads about Gillibrand oberliner Dec 2017 #10
She is great yes. sharedvalues Dec 2017 #12
Maybe there is just some honest disagreement among DUers? oberliner Dec 2017 #7
The key issues now are threats to democracy and creeping authoritarianism sharedvalues Dec 2017 #9
So if we criticize some senators action it's 1 propaganda or 2 we have been brainwashed lunasun Dec 2017 #13
If you're developing a theory about "both sides", Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #16
Those are old articles n/t greeny2323 Dec 2017 #2
Those awesome articles show that propaganda works to inflame both sides of an issue sharedvalues Dec 2017 #4
With a hefty helping of men vs. women thrown in. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #5
The propaganda method doesn't require propaganda on every issue marylandblue Dec 2017 #11
Gillibrand pushed to get Franken out that is a fact JI7 Dec 2017 #14
Sadly trolls are only a part of the mess flamingdem Dec 2017 #15
There is no let up, that's for sure. And the effects will be with some people forever. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #17

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
3. Lots of posts with many replies taking both sides on Gillibrand and Franken. Yes, it is.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:20 AM
Dec 2017

Kirsten Gillibrand appreciation thread
Look what I just found in a comment on Senator Gillibrand's FB page: (negative story about her)

Kamala Harris called on Franken to resign, as did Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, and Bernie Sanders [View all]
Kirsten Gillibrand's Moment Has Arrived [View all]
Ex-Clinton aide criticizes Gillibrand after Franken's resignation



.... both sides.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
8. No agreed - but were they influenced by trolls (right-wing or otherwise)?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:34 AM
Dec 2017

Remember, Franken has been one of the top Russian troll topics on twitter.

Would we be talking about Franken a bit less here if not for Russian and rightwing media amplification of Franken and Gillibrand? Perhaps. And if so, we should be thinking about how to prevent our conversations from being influenced by right-wing manipulation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. I posted some supportive threads about Gillibrand
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:38 AM
Dec 2017

The reason was that I was frustrated with how much negativity was being thrown at her.

I think it's important for DUers to remember that she has been a great senator who continues to fight for causes that are important to DUers.

Obviously this is not a particularly popular position right now on DU, but I think that is all the more reason to share it.

She is, after all, a Democrat, and a damn good one, in my view.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
12. She is great yes.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:11 AM
Dec 2017

I like both Gillibrand and Franken.
And if Franken did what he is accused of, I think he should resign.

But I worry that the first accuser at least was exaggerating her story - given what we know about right wing dirty tricks from people like James O'Keefe and Roger Stone, I think Franken deserves a full investigation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Maybe there is just some honest disagreement among DUers?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:33 AM
Dec 2017

And among Democrats in general.

And maybe that's OK?

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
9. The key issues now are threats to democracy and creeping authoritarianism
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:37 AM
Dec 2017

As well as the GOP trying to destroy the America we know.

Franken and Gillibrand deserve some discussion. But let's do that, then refocus on the threats to America posed by the GOP and the current president.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
13. So if we criticize some senators action it's 1 propaganda or 2 we have been brainwashed
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:14 AM
Dec 2017

by propaganda
Insulting either way

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
16. If you're developing a theory about "both sides",
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:37 AM
Dec 2017

then I think it needs to take into account the authorship of those OPs you've chosen to highlight.

There's pot-stirring going on alright. The motivation is whatever it is. I don't think it depends on outside agency.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
4. Those awesome articles show that propaganda works to inflame both sides of an issue
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:22 AM
Dec 2017

Recently Russia is an example of a user of that propaganda method.

Just watch out for the same method here at DU.

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
5. With a hefty helping of men vs. women thrown in.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:23 AM
Dec 2017

I fear it is going to take national misery in the form of economic and perhaps societal collapse to see any real change.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. The propaganda method doesn't require propaganda on every issue
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:40 AM
Dec 2017

It only requires that people be angry. Once they are angry, they will find new issues to fight about.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
14. Gillibrand pushed to get Franken out that is a fact
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:15 AM
Dec 2017

all based on BULLSHIT and her own need to promote herself.

i'm not calling for gillibrand to resign.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
15. Sadly trolls are only a part of the mess
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:21 AM
Dec 2017

Though I suppose if you add trolls into the mix they can push something over the edge.

The election of Trump pretty much hinged on that.. the combination of incompetence and manipulation.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
17. There is no let up, that's for sure. And the effects will be with some people forever.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:09 AM
Dec 2017

Here is a good example of a brilliant person still fighting the primary:





I looked everywhere on DU, but couldn't find a good example here.
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