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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:26 AM Dec 2017

Why Democrats win even if they lose in Alabama

The party will either pick up a seat in the Deep South — or have Roy Moore to campaign against in the midterms.

By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 12/10/2017 06:51 AM EST

Democrats head into Tuesday’s Senate election in Alabama confident that they'll come out on top no matter who wins. And many Republicans agree with them.

If Doug Jones prevails, Democrats expect it will further excite their base, bolster candidate recruitment and fuel fundraising heading into 2018, coming off their near-sweep of last month's elections. They will revel in picking up a Senate seat in the Deep South, especially in a state so central to President Donald Trump’s political rise and where he earlier backed the loser of the GOP primary. Practically, Republicans would have a 51-49 Senate majority, leaving them with a single vote to spare assuming Democrats stick together. But the alternative won't make for bad politics, either, Democrats say.

If Roy Moore wins, they'll spend the next year yoking every Republican they can to the accused child predator and a president who welcomed him into the GOP fold. They'll be quick to remind everyone of all the other comments Moore has made against Muslims and gays and in favor of Vladimir Putin’s view of America as evil, as well as his rosy view of slave-era America.

“He’ll be the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats. If you’re running in 2018, Roy Moore’s going to be your new best friend. As a Republican, to think that you can win without the baggage of Roy Moore is pretty naïve,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/10/democrats-alabama-roy-moore-doug-jones-288631

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Why Democrats win even if they lose in Alabama (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2017 OP
Moore will win bench scientist Dec 2017 #1
Might be better for 2018 and beyond if he did.... paleotn Dec 2017 #11
Not only that.. fallout87 Dec 2017 #18
The GOP is going to laugh in the face of decency when they seat Moore bench scientist Dec 2017 #20
Would be nice to actually win for a change. LisaL Dec 2017 #2
He'll be a running billboard to remind everyone what the GOP stands for. Sweet. carterbob251 Dec 2017 #3
Try this other Politico article on for size JimBeard Dec 2017 #4
Losing always makes you a loser...the idea that some kind of pureness is achieved by losing is Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #5
More likely, further confirmation that GOP women don't care and Franken was sacrificed for nothing dalton99a Dec 2017 #6
Was talking to a woman I know who is an Bettie Dec 2017 #7
You should have asked her why should she care if somebody and not her has an abortion. LisaL Dec 2017 #8
I know her pretty well and we've had that conversation Bettie Dec 2017 #12
But why does she care about it all if it doesn't affect her personally? LisaL Dec 2017 #15
Because she believes that Bettie Dec 2017 #19
"A good Christian man who fought so hard for the Ten Commandments" dalton99a Dec 2017 #10
yeah, how's that working out with trump? nt Locrian Dec 2017 #9
Historically low approval ....historically high disapproval. paleotn Dec 2017 #13
Numbers don't mean bubkas when he is still president. LisaL Dec 2017 #16
They do if the Rethugs get creamed in 2018, paleotn Dec 2017 #17
that'll be just great after they pass the trillon dollar tax package - nt Locrian Dec 2017 #22
I'm not sure if America can stand any more of that kind of winning n2doc Dec 2017 #14
"Moral Victory" - just the kind of "victory" we need least at the moment hatrack Dec 2017 #21

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
11. Might be better for 2018 and beyond if he did....
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:27 AM
Dec 2017

and not just because of his past shenanigans. "Teen Beat" is the gift that keeps on giving. And we thought Cruz and Gohmert were nuts. This guy is a super duper, high powered, attack ad generator against every Rethuglican nationwide. Between him and shit gibbon, their brand may be so severely damaged, it's beyond repair.....well, outside of certain, isolated shit holes that is.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
18. Not only that..
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:23 AM
Dec 2017

Voters will have forgotten about Moore's history by the time midterms come around. There will be so much going on nationally that it won't take front and center.

 

JimBeard

(293 posts)
4. Try this other Politico article on for size
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:58 AM
Dec 2017
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/10/yoffe-sexual-harassment-college-franken-216057

As we plunge once more into a national debate over sex, power, assault and morality, many hope this will finally be the watershed moment in which a full reckoning will take place. We’ve been here before, though, and we’ve seen such hopes fade and get overtaken by self-interested partisan political fights. And it’s happening again.

Let’s recall the fall of 1991. The nation was transfixed by the confirmation hearings of the conservative African American jurist Clarence Thomas, whom President George H.W. Bush had nominated to be an associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Nearing the end of what had already been a lengthy review by the Senate Judiciary Committee, a written statement sent confidentially to staffers for the committee chair, Senator Joe Biden (D-Del.), was leaked to the press. According to the statement’s writer, a law professor named Anita Hill who had worked for Thomas some years earlier, the nominee had a taste for hard-core pornography and a penchant for discussing it and other sexual matters with subordinates in the workplace, or at least with her; working under these conditions had made her extremely uncomfortable. These allegations of sexual harassment threatened to derail Thomas’s nomination and ruin his personal and professional reputation


Lets examine this. Who is doing the same job and who is the Supreme court Justice still after 1991?

Bill Clinton was accused but remained President.

Donald Trump was accused but won anyway.

Roy Moore is most likely to win.

This is not a good election strategy.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
5. Losing always makes you a loser...the idea that some kind of pureness is achieved by losing is
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:08 AM
Dec 2017

nonsense...it merely means, the other side has another vote and you don't.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
7. Was talking to a woman I know who is an
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:17 AM
Dec 2017

evangelical and a republican.

Her response to Moore? "Well, it wasn't my daughter, so why should I care."

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
12. I know her pretty well and we've had that conversation
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:32 AM
Dec 2017

and I never want to have it again.

Her position on that is that if you have sex, ever, you are accepting the possibility of pregnancy.

If you are raped and become pregnant, you should accept it as a gift from god.

If your pregnancy endangers your life, you should keep going because clearly, that fetus has an important purpose in life and will do fine without a mother. If you have other children, well, they will be fine, because their father can remarry and they will have another mother.

If you are carrying a fetus with anomalies incompatible with life, pray for a miracle and accept that you are being punished for past sins.

Oh, and when I had my full term stillbirth? It was because I am an agnostic, "God" was punishing me for my lack of faith. When I had my three miscarriages, same thing. When I had my three living children? "God" was giving me a chance to repent.

I can't even talk to her about this anymore, because it enrages me. I need to interact with her for some things I am involved in, so I can't scream at her, but I avoid her as much as I possibly can without being truly rude.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
15. But why does she care about it all if it doesn't affect her personally?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:46 AM
Dec 2017

The argument she made regarding Moore is that if it didn't affect her personally she shouldn't care.
Why does she care if someone else were to have an abortion? That has no effect on her.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
19. Because she believes that
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:30 AM
Dec 2017

everyone should be forced to adhere to her beliefs.

She also believes that non-Christians should be forced to "see the light of Jesus"...also, Catholics are "non-Christians".

She's a nutjob, but I have to deal with her several times a year, so I just smile and nod and scream inside my head. A lot.

dalton99a

(81,513 posts)
10. "A good Christian man who fought so hard for the Ten Commandments"
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:24 AM
Dec 2017

I actually heard that on AM radio last week - and similar refrains, many accusing liberals of paying the women

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
13. Historically low approval ....historically high disapproval.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:33 AM
Dec 2017

We've never seen a President with such bad numbers since such polling began. The damage is done and the continued stupidity of Rethugs in Congress is making it worse. Virginia....The Dems flipped 30+ delegate seats which didn't appear even remotely possible months and weeks before the election.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
17. They do if the Rethugs get creamed in 2018,
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:18 AM
Dec 2017

losing control of both House and Senate. He's not a king, though he may think he is.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
14. I'm not sure if America can stand any more of that kind of winning
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:34 AM
Dec 2017

We need to win the old fashioned way- by actually winning.

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