Apologies are okay then.

🍊💩 or other Republicans apparently. With only accusations. No due process. That’s tossed out the window now.

When you do that (and their allegations are worse) you might have some credibility!

This got alerted on BTW.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Though I am sure there are many more Republicans who've done as bad as Al supposedly did. With a bar that low, there should be more to find.

And Moore did far worse and therefore deserves more time, yet he'll be going into the Senate. The PGIC in the WH certainly did worse.

Al can go to hell though.

Why?

Al was very strong on women’s issues and polled well with women.

Are why I had to start another account and rarely post. Someone has to get bent out of shape because you dare say something negative about the party or someone in it they support.

.... today, and after the fact.

Or does she only do that to Democrats?

And even then the hypocrisy is glaring.
Too little too late.

And that goes for all of them.

I've been altered on.

The fact remains though.
She has accepted Bill and roasted Al.

Why?

And their ALERT buttons are functional. Star members may want to make sure a few names are added to their no jury list.

I'm naive on the jury system.
Can you explain what you are saying.
I'm curious.

You can add up to 12 members who you exclude from being on a jury from your post. It eliminated vendetta alerts.

PM me and I will for sure.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/politics/kirsten-gillibrand-bill-clinton/index.html



In the same interview she said she was disappointed about Al, but it was in the very breaking moments of Tweeden's allegations.

I'll be blunt here. People have posted excerpts from articles from her 2014 book on the demeaning comments she got as a female Senator. Considering she was an appointee who managed, with help, to get re-elected, it's unsurprising that more experienced male Senators would make those comments to her, compared to more senior female Senators. But it is also unsurprising that any novice politician doesn't eventually decide what they want their issue to be.

Years before now, she decided her mission was to address military and campus sexual assault. I am willing to bet money that it wasn't until Stephanie Kemplin's accusation that Gillibrand truly called for Franken to resign, but while I'm typing let me Google.

Yep, she made her post on 12/6, and the Kemplin accusation came out on 11/30.

We have a serious optics issue for that allegation being brought before the committee, because that veteran claims (and her superior officer supports her claim) that she was sexually assaulted prior to meeting Al on that tour and it was mishandled. Yes, someone very sensitive and gentle could attempt to question her to make the military look bad for failing to act, and it was under the Bush administration.

But her emotional state is highly tied up in the fact she was in the early stages of untreated PTSD when Franken encountered her. Even the potentially true insinuation that she reacted to a touch to underarm, because it's innervated similarly to sideboob, with a PTSD-driven response will look *awful*. And that's leaving out the absolutely terrible optics of someone deciding to aggressively question why the military didn't act on her allegation of the pre-2007 vaguely defined "indecent assault". That alone could have made Gillibrand decide that the investigation hearings could do more harm than good.

When it was just Tweeden and a bunch of either anonymous or obviously Trump supporters, people who aggressive questioning to uncover lies would be considered capable of answering, that was one thing. While the day the Kemplin accusations came out I spoke to military friends, Conservative and Liberal and "Libertarian", and unless she was referring to a daytime duty tent, the "tent she shared" with her alleged assailant would have been a platoon tent -- aka, they weren't bunking privately, like the CNN article about her allegation implied. And allegedly her story was contaminated by her contacting Tweeden first.

But her breaking down in tears would be replayed in loop for 2 Minutes Hate every day on Faux News.

As I said the day he offered his resignation (though it isn't effective yet and probably won't be until several negotiations are complete about his replacement), I believe and still do believe that Franken will do what he thinks is best for his state, his party, and his country. On Tuesday, we get to learn if his decision to martyr himself for the Party will make a difference to Alabama voters. I pray it did have some impact other than losing a brave voice in the Senate.

I'm not considering Gillibrand as a potential 2020 candidate. I think there are the younger voices people want in the party in the form of people that are also more accomplished.

But I also don't think this is exactly out of character with her "pet causes", so sincerely doubt she's doing this because she has a personal grudge against Al.

...of Bill's transgressions when she accepted his campaigning for her and donations?

... but we'd all have been better off if Bill could have chosen his partners for consensual liaisons better while in office. More mature women, not people who could be considered subordinates or whom he had power over, ones who understood you didn't gossip about an affair with a President. At the same time, he didn't. And workplace rules about sexual encounters with subordinates then weren't what they are now, which she also said in the NY Times article CNN linked (may have to open it in a private window).

But Bill isn't running for office, and hasn't been.

I haven't seen anything about her demonizing Hillary for how she handled the aspects of her marriage that aren't any of our business. The money was accepted to keep Hillary's seat blue. She supported Hillary for president. Maybe she considered it Hillary's money?

Maybe she agrees with the many women who feel Hillary was placed in a lose-lose position as the spouse of anyone (but especially a politician) who, despite also doing great things and her loving him, has issues about monogamy? Frankly I wouldn't have cared if they were in an open marriage the whole time. But in 1978-1992, in Arkansas? All Hillary could hope for was for him to be discreet, and choose partners mature enough to also be discreet.

Again, I'll reiterate that I am simply praying the sacrifice on the altar of the moral high ground ends up having more effect than the smell of blood drawing more sharks, if you'll pardon my mixed metaphor.

I have a strong feeling that whatever the result is in the Alabama election will be seized on to bolster whatever position anyone wants to support:

Moore wins - Should have been quicker to boot Franken.

Moore wins - Booting Franken achieved nothing.

Moore loses - See, it worked! Do it some more ...

Moore loses - It's despite the fuss about Franken, not because of it.

Moore either loses or wins - What happened with Franken was irrelevant. (This one's my guess.)

She should be primaried by an authentic liberal Democrat.

Kristen Gillibrand runs the risk of becoming the Joseph McCarthy of sexual harrassment claims. While there is no doubt that there are way too women out there that are the victims of sexual harassment I do not for one moment believe that 100% of the accused will actually be guilty of the crime they are charged with. We live in a political climate that has gone to the extreme of creating a witch hunt where allegations can be made, no investigation conducted and the accused are destroyed. It creates the perfect climate for those who are vindictive for some reason or other to decide to destroy the person they are pissed off at. It also creates the perfect climate for political hit jobs to take out effective politicians like Al Franken. Women who are been harmed deserve justice but women who make fake charges also need to be held accountable for their lies.

Absence of common sense and a willingness to investigate claims will ultimately result in more harm to the process of dealing with sexual harassment and lead to allegations of fake news. It is really easy for Gillbrand to take out Franken but I sure don't see her and the other Democrats using the same level of energy and effort on Trump and Moore.

but denied it to a duly elected Representative.

She is no progressive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal

showing up at a Gillebrand rally with a knife stuck in his back.

He could ask her to pull it out without touching him.

everything is so crazy such a skit may helming her chances.

I have noticed that after calling for Al Franken's resignation and being successful in that effort, Kristen Gillibrand is now,after the fact, using Twitter to call out Roy Moore and Donald Trump. Something she has declined to do before as far as I can tell. After successfully outing a prominent Democrat under highly suspect circumstances, then calling out Trump and Moore, seems to be a message to the public that she will be a fair and balanced candidate for a 2020 presidential run.
She led the call for Al franken's resignation even as more than a few republicans expressed their doubts as to Franken's accusers and the circumstances of the whole affair. I am also thoroughly convinced that the majority of Democrats who fell in line with Kristen gillibrand did so out of a fear of being perceived as soft on sexual assault on women rather than a genuine conviction of principle. I think more than a few of these people are privately regretting their actions.

I can't see her any other way than an opportunist. It's glaring to me.

And against hypocrisy no matter Republican or Democrat.

Mob Rule is NOT the Democratic way.

It's even worse than zero tolerance.

nt

.... that even a minimum amount of due diligence on their part might very well have changed their mind about joining the herd. Unfortunately, for some of them, even that may not have given them enough courage to do the right thing.

and Gillibrand was in the NY clique and had her issue, so the challenge was to support her or risk that the clique would not support you in the future. I think in the end Franken was too independent for the clique mentality plus what you said - a general cowardice when the bandwagon effect began.

They would have frozen him out and made him a pariah. He has his pride, and moreover, I believe he understood he would not be effective in such an environment.

are thrown under the bus to further your misguided agenda, what does that say about your character?

What a hypocrite!

This is political posturing for 2020, nothing else. I will never vote for her after what she did this week.