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Kirsten grabbed Al by 'the posse' (Original Post) OxQQme Dec 2017 OP
STOP. This type of crap is not helpful. boston bean Dec 2017 #1
Why must he stop? rainin Dec 2017 #3
Saying the SAME things to the SAME people won't change anything. brooklynite Dec 2017 #4
It sounds like you'd like me to keep my opinions to myself. rainin Dec 2017 #11
I think the point is that, after three days we KNOW those opinions... brooklynite Dec 2017 #14
I don't know that until he actually leaves the Senate. Until then, my voice will be heard. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #16
I'm still pissed MFM008 Dec 2017 #25
But you continue to push your opinion on this topic! Correct? n/t USALiberal Dec 2017 #23
Only in response to the continuing pro-Franken posts brooklynite Dec 2017 #24
To say I'm "pushing" my opinion is a little disingenuous. rainin Dec 2017 #27
apply that to yourself, please Skittles Dec 2017 #32
I'm with you and so over her..n/t monmouth4 Dec 2017 #5
Umm using that disgusting phrase and turning it on democrats is not helpful. boston bean Dec 2017 #7
Righto! rock Dec 2017 #19
Sometimes.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #6
Yeah trumpspeak against our own democrats and a woman isnt how I would express my feelings. boston bean Dec 2017 #9
Okay... FarPoint Dec 2017 #17
I can't help but notice the irony better Dec 2017 #21
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #28
And what was helpful about Railroading a great senator over weak accusations? fallout87 Dec 2017 #8
That was a convesation starter. LMFAO. boston bean Dec 2017 #10
Let's be tolerant, even supportive, of one differing priorities CommonHumanity Dec 2017 #20
It is for me!!! You are so wrong on this topic! n/t USALiberal Dec 2017 #22
Someone on Alex this morning, MSNBC, was asked if Al was just falling on the sword for the rainy Dec 2017 #2
Yes Owl Dec 2017 #12
and he decided to resign instead of letting the investigation go on dlwickham Dec 2017 #13
33 Senators... tonedevil Dec 2017 #30
he could have still let the investigation go forward dlwickham Dec 2017 #31
I agree and believe it was an error flamingdem Dec 2017 #15
Gillibrand and the Other Senators Risk Looking Like Zealots dlk Dec 2017 #18
My prediction customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #29
By all means continue to demonize all strong democrats by circular firing squad. Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #26

rainin

(3,011 posts)
3. Why must he stop?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:13 AM
Dec 2017

It's been less than a week. What is our time frame for speaking up for ourselves? Did we miss a rule for how many days we're allowed to be unhappy about this betrayal?

I, for one, think we should continue to speak up for Franken until the day he actually leaves the Senate. Until then, there is a chance, however small, that they will do the right thing.

After that, I'll probably let it go.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
11. It sounds like you'd like me to keep my opinions to myself.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
Dec 2017

This is my opinion, and if you don't like the SAME opinion to the SAME people, I can't really help you.

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)
14. I think the point is that, after three days we KNOW those opinions...
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:28 AM
Dec 2017

Saying them over and over won't change Franken's mind, won't change the Senate women's mind and won't change the outcome.

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)
24. Only in response to the continuing pro-Franken posts
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:21 PM
Dec 2017

By my count, there are 14 new threads this morning. If people stop rehashing this, I'll be happy to move on as well.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
27. To say I'm "pushing" my opinion is a little disingenuous.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:05 PM
Dec 2017

I believe I am adding my opinion to the many comments here and some other threads.

Also, I've said several times, that this was wrong! It is undemocratic to push an elected official out of office without due process.

And, I think it will do nothing except weaken our side. I am truly tired of democrats thinking if we disarm, they will.

Do you remember Gianforte? Republicans waited and no one talks about him anymore. Hummmmmm.

Short memories, much?

rock

(13,218 posts)
19. Righto!
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:52 AM
Dec 2017

And Welcome to DU! Or if you've been one of those passive onlookers - Welcome anyways!

better

(884 posts)
21. I can't help but notice the irony
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:57 AM
Dec 2017

in the fact that you seem to be taking issue with someone using their small voice against a democrat, specifically for that democrat using their much larger voice against a democrat.

Response to boston bean (Reply #9)

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
8. And what was helpful about Railroading a great senator over weak accusations?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:19 AM
Dec 2017

This is a place where conversations take place. Get it?

CommonHumanity

(246 posts)
20. Let's be tolerant, even supportive, of one differing priorities
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:53 AM
Dec 2017

Many people, myself included, have been hit really hard with feelings of disempowerment, deflation and discouragement over this. We want to process it emotionally, make sense of where things stand politically and strategize and share thoughts for going forward. I think this is more than OK and encourage you to be tolerant even if you do not agree.

Regarding the political aspect, it sets a far-reaching precedent in terms of losing one of our best, the Democrats acting without due process, a potential right-wing hot job, and a host of other concerns.

There are also some of us, me included, who still hope the Dems might walk this back or Franken might not really resign when the time comes. I get that others think this may be beating a dead a horse and it is time to move on. I don't and I am not just commenting on DU and wasting airtime. I am calling and emailing senators on a daily basis. Why not be tolerant of those of us who believe with this is a BIG DEAL with BIG RAMIFICATIONS? Come on, we're on the same side.

rainy

(6,092 posts)
2. Someone on Alex this morning, MSNBC, was asked if Al was just falling on the sword for the
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:09 AM
Dec 2017

party and country, so that the path could be cleared to go hard after Roy and Trump. And they responded probable and that time will tell. The Media needs to be able to in-depth talk about differences between photo shoots with too tight touching and sexual predication and abuse. Then Al would not have been asked to fall for the so called "good."

I still will not forget and I'm hoping that proof emerges that Leanne made false claims and I hope it make big news and then the rest fall like flies.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
13. and he decided to resign instead of letting the investigation go on
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:25 AM
Dec 2017

that says a lot about how he expected the investigation to go

get out while the getting is good?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
15. I agree and believe it was an error
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:29 AM
Dec 2017

Most of us think this way, the grand majority. I hope the leadership notices.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
18. Gillibrand and the Other Senators Risk Looking Like Zealots
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:41 AM
Dec 2017

This was overkill. Dems lost much more than they gained.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
29. My prediction
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

is that in 2018, the male-female voter gap between the Democratic Party and the GOP will be even more magnified. It won't necessarily be because men vote for the Republicons, but more will stay home, or at least not encourage their fellow men to vote for a party that they might view as emasculating them.

Freethinker65

(10,023 posts)
26. By all means continue to demonize all strong democrats by circular firing squad.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:57 PM
Dec 2017

Enough independents fell for it last time and now we have Trump, and Gorsuch, and a tax bill that will hurt affordable health care and the middle class, and the real possibility of drastic cuts to Medicare/ Medicaid/social security, the giving away of our natural resources to for profits, the degradation on public and higher education, the chipping by away of reproductive rights, etc.





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