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Latest Adam Schiff tweet: (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Dec 2017 OP
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2017 #1
K&R 2naSalit Dec 2017 #2
Yeah but the house committee looking into this Iliyah Dec 2017 #3
Thats why Three Sticks is running the show. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2017 #31
Mueller has already indicted 4 from Trumps campaign KelleyKramer Dec 2017 #44
It certainly is damning! MelissaB Dec 2017 #4
clear definition of treason onetexan Dec 2017 #12
Article III Section 3 of the United States Constitution jimmil Dec 2017 #23
K&R G_j Dec 2017 #5
Now, did that help include changing the tallies on a vote count? Baitball Blogger Dec 2017 #6
+1 Mrs. Overall Dec 2017 #11
It's all hidden... SHRED Dec 2017 #7
that's for sure bluestarone Dec 2017 #9
Open and shut case. Grammy23 Dec 2017 #8
Lots of us with courage, not many with the $$$s to challenge the well-funded lawyers erronis Dec 2017 #17
No matter how damning...it increasingly appears CONgress will do nothing CousinIT Dec 2017 #10
Close! TwistOneUp Dec 2017 #30
Here's what we suspect: L. Coyote Dec 2017 #13
I want Schiff to run for POTUS! Frustratedlady Dec 2017 #14
Adam Schiff would never cavalierly use the word "know" rather than "think" Mr. Ected Dec 2017 #15
Mueller needs to show the quid pro quo FakeNoose Dec 2017 #16
Possibly (just my opinion) removal of sanctions, oil business, nukes in the Middle Sophia4 Dec 2017 #42
And what did Russia want/expect in return for that help? FailureToCommunicate Dec 2017 #18
It's spot on. But THE REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE DesertRat Dec 2017 #19
yep. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #21
Plus: We know he's more than willing to eff up the world (Jerusalem) until we remove him. lindysalsagal Dec 2017 #20
But...but... WillParkinson Dec 2017 #22
The number of contacts and connections between people working on the Trump Sophia4 Dec 2017 #24
K & R BadgerMom Dec 2017 #25
K&R... spanone Dec 2017 #26
Treason. nt oasis Dec 2017 #27
The problem is what specific law was broken? Kablooie Dec 2017 #28
Mueller probably has some lawyers and clerks, paralegals and others Sophia4 Dec 2017 #43
It's conspiracy and cooperation, not collusion legally. lark Dec 2017 #29
If they can say Obama wasn't born in America bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #32
Damn the republicans who betrayed America Achilleaze Dec 2017 #33
A win at our cost. I blame the manic need for power that has no scruples. The Wielding Truth Dec 2017 #39
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #34
Damn the GOP and the Trumps Hekate Dec 2017 #35
The truth. At its simplest. calimary Dec 2017 #36
By "we," does he mean the Intel Committee? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #37
Boom! Heartstrings Dec 2017 #38
Kicking with a vengeance! dchill Dec 2017 #40
What we need to be focused on is working very hard to get a majority in the House and Senate YOHABLO Dec 2017 #41
Help is a very broad word jamzrockz Dec 2017 #45

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Yeah but the house committee looking into this
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:25 PM
Dec 2017

is run by Nunes and Gowdy and they ain't gonna do a damn thing except to deflect. The GOPs are treasonous.

KelleyKramer

(8,969 posts)
44. Mueller has already indicted 4 from Trumps campaign
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 08:05 AM
Dec 2017

Trumps campaign Chairman is indicted and is only out of jail because he is on house arrest wearing an ankle bracelet

Surprised you didn't hear about that, it was in all the papers

jimmil

(629 posts)
23. Article III Section 3 of the United States Constitution
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

Section 3

1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

2: The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Baitball Blogger

(46,727 posts)
6. Now, did that help include changing the tallies on a vote count?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:34 PM
Dec 2017

We should flip the results of that election and remove Trump's Supreme Court pick if the answer is yes.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
8. Open and shut case.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:36 PM
Dec 2017

But who will have the courage to take this to a court to let it be presented in detail so the American people can see and hear the evidence for themselves?

erronis

(15,290 posts)
17. Lots of us with courage, not many with the $$$s to challenge the well-funded lawyers
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:05 PM
Dec 2017

Who represent the well-funded class that is being well funded by all of these shenanigans.

Filthy lucre wins over ethics. As many empires have learned over many centuries - It's fun for awhile and then the pied piper (death) comes to get its due.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
10. No matter how damning...it increasingly appears CONgress will do nothing
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 12:41 PM
Dec 2017

And absent that, we know we are truly living in an authoritarian fascist regime now where the rule of law is quite meaningless.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
30. Close!
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:12 PM
Dec 2017

You wrote:

"... we know we are truly living in an authoritarian fascist regime now ..."

Should be:

"... we know we are truly living in an authoritarian theocratic regime now ..."

IMHO.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Here's what we suspect:
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:39 PM
Dec 2017

Sure we can approve that massive loan and bail out your sorry bankrupt ass, just run for President of your country and we'll help you win .....

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
14. I want Schiff to run for POTUS!
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:49 PM
Dec 2017

I doubt that he has any sexual harassment history, seems honest, isn't hot-headed and knows how to watch his words. He seems sensible with common sense, is the right age and would not embarrass the U.S. and its citizens. Good role model for the young, sensitive to the old and progressive for the middle class.

Compared to the Idiot in Chief's Clothing, I'd say he was darned close to perfect...but then, the bar is set pretty low right now.

Only problem I can see is that his last name would give ammunition for the RW deplorables to come up with all kinds of nicknames.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
15. Adam Schiff would never cavalierly use the word "know" rather than "think"
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:53 PM
Dec 2017

If Congress knows it, Mueller knows it times a thousand.

We are not waiting for a political solution. Impeachment is a political solution. Impeachment won't happen with a Republican gauntlet that is likely complicit in the crime and the cover-up.

We are waiting for a legal solution. The one that a special counsel brings to the table. The one that progresses at a snail's pace, but one in which results have already been publicized. The one that busts the Trump cabal for crimes before, during and after his candidacy. The one that nails the GOP for RICO violations and obstruction of justice.

That will be worth the wait...if...we survive the immediate effects of fascism as applied to our democracy.





FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
16. Mueller needs to show the quid pro quo
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:00 PM
Dec 2017

What did Trump and his campaign staff promise and deliver to Putin for his help?
Is there anything more that's been promised but not yet delivered?
Answer these questions and no judge or jury would let him off. He's toast.

Whether the House and Senate want to follow through on impeachment, well that's another story. (Schiff is pretty smart about this stuff.) Even if the impeachment never happens, Mueller has enough to convict the Trump family on RICO and tax evasion, money laundering, and a bunch of other charges related to handling of finances. This was true before the election and even more true now.


 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
42. Possibly (just my opinion) removal of sanctions, oil business, nukes in the Middle
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:13 AM
Dec 2017

East using Russian equipment to some extent. -- Loans of money. (Trump wanted to prohibit Mueller from investigating Trump's business dealings prior to the presidency if I remember correctly, and that suggests that there is probably something embarrassing for Trump in facts related to those dealings -- just a guess, but could be).
There are lots of possibilities.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
24. The number of contacts and connections between people working on the Trump
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:52 PM
Dec 2017

campaign, members of Trump's cabinet and Russians is shocking, overwhelming in fact.

Numbers like that don't lie.

How many Russian government or business representatives have you or members of your family or even your member of Congress met lately?

How much money, how many awards have your friends and family received from the Russian government or Russian companies in the past couple of years?

How many times have you been to Russia in the past couple of years?

Compare that with your contacts with people from the Chinese upper crust.

Compare that with your contacts with people from Canada or even Mexico. Now I have lots of contact with ordinary people from Mexico. It's our close neighbor here in Southern California. And I know immigrants from Russia. But people with contacts in the Russian government or with wealthy Russian members of the Russian oligarchy? Pretty rare.

And yet the Trump team was full of such people.

What pushed me into the "Trump" has some mysterious relationship with Russia group is the way he tried to insult and push our allies in NATO around. Having lived in Europe for years, I believe that is the result of a typically Russian attitude toward Western Europe which they would like to dominate. I see it as an attempt to usurp and disturb the very natural link and relationship of trust between the US and Europe. After all, many of our ancestors were from Western Europe, from Scandinavia to the Tip of Greece to Spain and up to Iceland. That's where the majority of American immigrants came from in the first centuries of our existence as a country.

And Russia does not like, maybe does not understand, our relationship with Western Europe. But that is where many, probably most, of our ancestors came from. That is where much of our culture comes from, including out law (mostly from Britain), our religion, our language, etc.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
28. The problem is what specific law was broken?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:25 PM
Dec 2017

This is an unprecedented case and though it should obviously be illegal there may be no laws that clearly cover it.

It fits the popular concept of treason but not the constitution's definition

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
43. Mueller probably has some lawyers and clerks, paralegals and others
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 05:18 AM
Dec 2017

researching the laws that apply.

His team knows the facts. We don't know all of them. The important facts are details, and whether laws were broken will depend on how the facts fit together.

lark

(23,105 posts)
29. It's conspiracy and cooperation, not collusion legally.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:50 PM
Dec 2017

They know this for sure and that's why the drumpf admin only talks about colusion not the real legal measurement because they're so afraid of the actual crimes being proven.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
39. A win at our cost. I blame the manic need for power that has no scruples.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:53 PM
Dec 2017

Always brewing in the conservative id and always pushing to get to the top. To the top of what? When their actions change our society and when there is no social democracy and no common defense and no general welfare, what kind of reality is left?

There must come a reckoning. It must be coming soon or we will lose all those things. Someone maybe many will come out to turn this Republican rampage around.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
36. The truth. At its simplest.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

Every time I see this, what immediately crosses my mind is "and HOW is this NOT collusion?"

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
41. What we need to be focused on is working very hard to get a majority in the House and Senate
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 03:18 AM
Dec 2017

It might be a crap shoot, but we can't have Trump in office for another 4 years. Nor a Republican.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
45. Help is a very broad word
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:55 AM
Dec 2017

"help" in what way exactly? But lets assume the worst definition of the word that doesn't include election hacking, how exactly is strategising with a foreign country in an election a crime? what law exactly did it violate and if you replaced the word Russians with Israelis, Germany, France or Britian is it still a crime?

That is if you believe any of that. My guess is that this would end up just like the Martha Steward case where they will get convictions in everything but collusion with the Russians. Btw, a good portion of people voted for Trump solely because he promised to make peace with Russia and push us away from a potential WWIII. Which unfortunately was another campaign lie.

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