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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie dodges responsibility for calling on Franken to resign; says Al felt it was appropriate
"In addition, Sens. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Angus King of Maine both independents who caucus with Senate Democrats have called on Franken to step down."
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/06/568832606/franken-under-pressure-as-group-democratic-senators-call-for-him-to-resign
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Todd: Al Franken wanted the ethics committee to take a look first before he made any decisions. Bob Menendez is in the midst of an ethics committee probe why should Bob Menendez be given time in front of the ethics committee before you guys, as Democrats, decide his fate verses Al Franken?
Sanders: Bob Menendez, as you know, underwent a lengthy trial, there was a hung jury -- he was not convicted of anything
Todd: He may be retried
Sanders: Maybe, but thats where we are today. I think in terms of Al Franken , what you have and Al Franken is a friend of mine and I think has been a very good senator from Minnesota , but what you have is a situation where senator Franken acknowledged wrongdoing on several occasions, inappropriate behavior, and he felt that the appropriate thing to do was to offer his resignation. And I think what the absurdity is
Todd: He didnt think, Ill be honest with you senator, he didnt sound like somebody who thought it was appropriate; he sounded like somebody who was being forced to resign.
Sanders: Well, I dont know that you know what was in Al Frankens mind
Todd: Fair enough
Sanders: But the point is, the point is that we have the absurdity now of a president of the United States [etc. the conversation goes off on Trump]
SHRED
(28,136 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)When you acknowledge something, even if you say things didn't happen the way accusers say they did, you admit guilt. Deny, deny, deny seems to be a better strategy.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)As Bernie says: "...but what you have is a situation where senator Franken acknowledged wrongdoing on several occasions, inappropriate behavior, and he felt that the appropriate thing to do was to offer his resignation."
I don't think Franken would have resigned if nothing was there, and think that his actions were honest. People make mistakes, and good people face up to the realities of their mistakes. I think he took the action that led to the least harm.
delisen
(6,044 posts)the fact that Franken's resignation was forced.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)colleagues demanded publicly he did so. I just can't understand why he would say he is going to resign.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Not so Frankens.
Plus Franken with his rising star popularity and dogged fighting spirit, and age, would have been a formidable primary opponent for the partys presidential candidacy.
Yeah, I am a tad suspicious of motives.
It is politics.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)There is a real danger of losing that seat.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)brooklynite
(94,581 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Franken will be 69 in 2020 which I think would be a disadvantage. But I totally agree about his popularity and dogged fighting spirit, not to mention his eloquence and intellect. We're losing one of our best.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)With friends like that, who needs enemies?
I wish Franken had been on the show, too. Lend some perspective. "Well, Bernie, I wanted an investigation, but I succumbed to peer pressure from my so called friends."
Demit
(11,238 posts)I don't know how they would've treated it if the Democrats had stood by their colleague, but if Dems thought they'd get credit for being so pure & principled, they were sorely mistaken. Everybody, including Chuck Todd(!), can see right through them.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)When Trump is the threat.
orleans
(34,053 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)life. Maybe he just did not want to go through the process of accusations and refuting and arguing against them.
Maybe he does ot believe the women are telling the truth.
Al Franken has so much talent and is such a great man. We have not heard the last from him. I would say the saga of the accusations has probably just begun. Al Franken can write; he can speak; this is not over.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)That train already left the station. I think it was a mistake, but they made it in the full glare of the public spotlight, and they jumped off that cliff holding hands - the overwhelming majority of the caucus signed off on it. Backpedaling now will make them look even worse to the larger public than would reopening that can of worms again.
We are not a typical cross section of voters at DU. Senators could win major brownie points from us by admitting they made a mistake, but most people would view them as hopelessly indecisive and muddled if they suddenly tried to unwind what they just did now. It will take some major new development - like the surfacing of an email chain documenting how Franken was set up, for them to revisit this matter again. It sucks, but I can see the bind they've put themselves in.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)they are stuck now. I seriously doubt they can reverse this. Al could demand it and I wish he would but I will be surprised if he does.
That said I do not think this is limited to DU. The internet is ablaze with it. Look at any of those senators social media feeds they are all a mess. That is not just DU.
People are not going to stand for a zero tolerance agenda on this. It makes a mockery of our system. It sounds good in theory but does not work as a policy. Life just isn't that black and white.
Sadly that leaves the Dems stuck they can't reverse it for fear of looking foolish and if they don't they have pissed off a whole lot of people.
There is no good end to this I can see.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)He does not represent what most Democrats think. He is an independent, not a Democrat.
And it is very illuminating that he ducked responsibility.