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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:56 PM Dec 2017

Gingrich defends Franken: 'This is purely and simply hysteria'

Former Speaker (R-Ga.) on Sunday came to Sen. Al Franken's defense, saying the calls for the Minnesota Democrat to resign from Congress were “purely and simply hysteria.”

“He's never faced his accusers. He's never had due process. He's never had an opportunity to clear his name,” Gingrich told “Fox News Sunday” when asked why the calls for Franken to step aside were "a lynching."

http://thehill.com/homenews/364168-gingrich-defends-franken-this-is-purely-and-simply-hysteria?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
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Gingrich defends Franken: 'This is purely and simply hysteria' (Original Post) oberliner Dec 2017 OP
We made it easy for him Egnever Dec 2017 #1
Huh? malaise Dec 2017 #2
One of the most repulsive GOPers is using the Dems' fuckup against them. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #3
And it was totally unnecessary dalton99a Dec 2017 #5
And he is defending Trump and Moore in the same sentence. Doodley Dec 2017 #27
Yep..now he can say "Nope See, I said we should all wait an be Fair about these kinds of things, Volaris Dec 2017 #48
THe Deplorables are scared to death we cleaned the deck to go after Pedo Moore and Chump. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #4
The exposed hypocrisy of Republican's defence of TrumpMoore v. the courage of Franken. A gift that Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #6
I doubt they are scared. CentralMass Dec 2017 #7
Nope. They'll say the Dems are now the party of witch hunts The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #12
I like the corollary argument DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #15
You are dreaming Egnever Dec 2017 #21
The Deplorables would let Trump defecate down their mouths if liberals had to smell it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #25
And yet you think something we say will impact them.. Egnever Dec 2017 #26
"Which is it ? " DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #28
Bingo! Gingrich already has -- in other words. KPN Dec 2017 #41
Nice try! n/t USALiberal Dec 2017 #16
It's a great try like everything I do "!" DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #18
Ha! Great one..... vi5 Dec 2017 #34
I will be the better person, take the high road, and.. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #35
Look, you are right..... vi5 Dec 2017 #45
Approximately DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #47
I'm confused that Gingrich would Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2017 #8
A broken clock is right twice a day n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #9
Not a digital clock. nt USALiberal Dec 2017 #17
Tactically at this point, its in the RW's interest to think so bhikkhu Dec 2017 #10
That would make sense if there was a progressive third party that said groping DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #19
Just getting people to stay home has been effective enough bhikkhu Dec 2017 #20
Democratic voters won't go 3rd party or stay at home over this. delisen Dec 2017 #30
I hope so. n/t bhikkhu Dec 2017 #43
Al was no stranger to D.C. prior to his senate run. Here he is at the 1996 White House Corr- CentralMass Dec 2017 #11
Hysteria. Gingrich deliberately chose that word. C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #13
Gingrich knows how to throw gasoline on a fire customerserviceguy Dec 2017 #14
Indeed. kentuck Dec 2017 #22
Look out. It's a small step from this ProudLib72 Dec 2017 #23
Gloating that we check mated ourselves. Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #24
Of course he did. NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #29
And we could have fought to uphold two principles. Demit Dec 2017 #37
Exactly. n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #42
Gingrich. Gingrich. Name sounds familiar. I'm trying to place him. Wait. It'll come to me. struggle4progress Dec 2017 #31
He's the guy who told his wife who was battling cancer he wanted a divorce. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #32
Ah. Well, I got "demented sleazebag" part right struggle4progress Dec 2017 #33
I'm going to ignore that statement came from Gingrich. no_hypocrisy Dec 2017 #36
As much as I detest the A.Hole, he is correct. JimBeard Dec 2017 #46
The ONLY motivation for Gingrich to make those statements is because... Eyeball_Kid Dec 2017 #38
"He's never had due process" LexVegas Dec 2017 #39
Our Democratic Party "leaders" painted KPN Dec 2017 #40
My God, quoting Gingrich to support a position? Blue_true Dec 2017 #44

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
3. One of the most repulsive GOPers is using the Dems' fuckup against them.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 01:59 PM
Dec 2017

And once again the Dems set themselves up for it.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
48. Yep..now he can say "Nope See, I said we should all wait an be Fair about these kinds of things,
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 04:57 PM
Dec 2017

and I EVEN said it about That Dirty Liberal, thats how much I believe in it not being fair the way Republican Sex Predators are being treated by The People (arent The People oh so mean to us?)'.

I think hes not wrong. I also think that Newt fucking Gingrich doesnt DESERVE to say anything about ANYTHING regarding Sen. Franken, and even less so about the exploited nature of women in our culture...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. The exposed hypocrisy of Republican's defence of TrumpMoore v. the courage of Franken. A gift that
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:31 PM
Dec 2017

Gingrich knows will never stop giving them grief. Never.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,706 posts)
12. Nope. They'll say the Dems are now the party of witch hunts
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:48 PM
Dec 2017

who are willing to hound one of their most popular and effective senators out of the senate in order to further a fanatical feminist ideology. Just watch.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. I like the corollary argument
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:03 PM
Dec 2017

We asked one of ours to leave over a seemingly minor transgression(s) while they fulsomely support a man who lured a fourteen year old girl to his lair in the woods, laid out a blanket on the floor, cajoled her to strip to her underwear as he stripped to his, and forced her to touch his erect penis as she recoiled.

I assure you that story will make any non-Deplorable blanch.


We are the party that defends the right of everybody including children.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
21. You are dreaming
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:54 PM
Dec 2017

Trump literally came out the next day and endorsed Moore and the crowd ate it up.

Today Gingrich is beating us around the head and shoulders with it and the worst part a large portion of us have to agree with him.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
25. The Deplorables would let Trump defecate down their mouths if liberals had to smell it.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:32 PM
Dec 2017
'Today Gingrich is beating us around the head and shoulders with it and the worst part a large portion of us have to agree with him. "

-Egnever



I couldn't care less what Gingrich has to say about anything. I will proudly cast my lot with the 2/3 of Americans who aren't like him, i.e Deplorables






Happy Holidays,
DSB



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
28. "Which is it ? "
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:40 PM
Dec 2017

What part of " I will proudly cast my lot with the 2/3 of Americans who aren't ... Deplorables " don't you understand ? My raison d'etre is to make every member of those 2/3 an anti GOP/Trump voter.







Happy Holidays (REDUX)
DSB

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. It's a great try like everything I do "!"
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:09 PM
Dec 2017



Happy Holidays
DSB

P.S. I would add if you don't believe there was more than a hint of self interest in Newt Gingrich's lil diatribe there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
34. Ha! Great one.....
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:55 PM
Dec 2017

...are you performing anywhere? I don't usually go in much for comedy but this was some solid laugh out loud material so I'd like to see what else you have.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
35. I will be the better person, take the high road, and..
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:02 PM
Dec 2017
Ha! Great one.....

...are you performing anywhere? I don't usually go in much for comedy but this was some solid laugh out loud material so I'd like to see what else you have.

-vi5

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=9961482




I will be the better person, take the high road, and not respond in kind.



Happy Holidays
DSB
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
45. Look, you are right.....
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 09:00 AM
Dec 2017

..I probably shouldn't have been so snarky.

And whether you believe it or not it wasn't intended nearly as much as a dig against you as it is the complete hypocrisy and delusion of the Republicans and their moral depravity. I'm laughing more at the idea that any of them could possibly be self aware enough to think in the way that you are optimistically giving them credit for.

I'm all for optimism but we are talking about a group of people that have shown their ability to justify anything in the name of their own partisanship and tribalism knows no depths. There's just zero evidence anywhere that any of the people who we would all categorize as deplorables will have even seconds of doubt that cause them to go "Oh shit. They ousted Franken and Conyers. We are fucked now. We'll have no choice but to confront the predators that we are electing and supporting!"

And if Trump's polls were in the mid 40's or something I would agree that maybe we'd be at this point peeling off some independents with our moral high ground. But with his numbers and the GOP's numbers where they are, there's nobody left to peel off. His only base off support is that dead end 35% who will support the GOP no matter what they do and will never, ever in a million years support a Democrat for anything. So all we've really done is embolden them and dishearten a lot of the people on our side.

So.....yeah, we probably still disagree but more in terms of our level of optimism. I apologize for my snark.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
47. Approximately
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:50 AM
Dec 2017

Approximately 2/3 of Americans aren't Deplorables which I define as stalwart Chump supporters. Obviously they aren't all Democrats or we would crush the GOP at the polls. My raison d'etre is to get as many of those 2/3 to vote for the Democrat at every level. I want every one of those 2/3 to come to the conclusion we are the good guys and gals.


Oh, I have no animus toward Al Franken. I liked him enough to read some of his books. I have no strong conviction on how his situation should have been resolved. However given the environment we are in I'm not remotely surprised by the resolution.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
8. I'm confused that Gingrich would
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:41 PM
Dec 2017

Say something sane and sensible. I wonder who bribed him do say it. No way he did it out of any sense of morals or justice.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
10. Tactically at this point, its in the RW's interest to think so
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:51 PM
Dec 2017

On the one hand they have to justify having elected a president with far worse allegations against him. If they can make such "misbehavior" a normal thing that we should all accept and live with, its good for them in many ways.

On the other hand, at the moment a number of well-respected Democrats took the position that Franken should resign. Some people in the party think that was right, some people think it wasn't. The ones who think it wasn't (if this site is any indication) are angry enough to talk third party, and throw the rest of party under the bus in anger. If the republicans can keep fanning the flames here it draws attention from their own mess, and splitting our own party is a good move going into 2018.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. That would make sense if there was a progressive third party that said groping
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:19 PM
Dec 2017

That would make sense if there was a progressive third party whose candidate said groping is acceptable.

There is a reason the Dems have a 20 point generic lead among women.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
20. Just getting people to stay home has been effective enough
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

The list of potential Democrats that other Democrats hate just keeps getting longer. Having watched the last few years, how many Democrats hated Obama, and how many hated Hillary, how many hate Kamala Harris (I don't recall why at the moment) and now how many hate Gillibrand or anyone involved in Franken's departure...

I've never looked at things that way - its not people that get me to the poles, its issues. And I don't hate anyone.

delisen

(6,043 posts)
30. Democratic voters won't go 3rd party or stay at home over this.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:46 PM
Dec 2017

We are in fact having a healthy debate, and I believe we will begin setting some standards,

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
11. Al was no stranger to D.C. prior to his senate run. Here he is at the 1996 White House Corr-
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 02:54 PM
Dec 2017

respondents Dinner roasting Gingrinch attimes. However you can see thst he is an intelligent witty guy that grabbed the attendees attention.

It a a long entertsining clip from the event from CSPAN. Bill and Hillary are there etc.


ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
23. Look out. It's a small step from this
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:04 PM
Dec 2017

to blaming the MeToo movement and any women who accuse men of doing nasty things. That plays right into tRump's tiny hands dealing with his accusers. Dismiss the victim's stories as not credible. And this is coming at the beginning of the Zervos lawsuit.

I'm calling this one. It's about to go down. Another twisting of reality by RW logic.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
24. Gloating that we check mated ourselves.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:09 PM
Dec 2017

Franken is the poster child for the point they wanted to prove and all they had to do is set him up and let the democrats walk into the trap. Now because of what happened with Franken the Republicans have justified protecting Moore and Trump.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
29. Of course he did.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:44 PM
Dec 2017

The Republicans are extremely adept at causing the Democrats to ultimately turn every weapon against themselves.

Had no one called for Franken's resignation, Newt would be using that as evidence that the Democrats are hypocrites that don't take sexual misconduct seriously.

We were going to face a fight either way - the difference being that had we stood by Franken instead of throwing him under the bus, we would still have an exemplary senator in office, instead of being less one strong warrior as we engaged the inevitable battle.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
37. And we could have fought to uphold two principles.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:13 PM
Dec 2017

The right to listen to women's accusations AND the right for the accused to have due process.

But no, we had to pick one over the other, and the Republicans were ready & waiting.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
31. Gingrich. Gingrich. Name sounds familiar. I'm trying to place him. Wait. It'll come to me.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:47 PM
Dec 2017

Wasn't he a drumstick for the Demented Sleazebags?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
32. He's the guy who told his wife who was battling cancer he wanted a divorce.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:50 PM
Dec 2017

The decent thing to do would have been to wait until she won or lost it.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
38. The ONLY motivation for Gingrich to make those statements is because...
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:23 PM
Dec 2017

he wants to sew FURTHER division among Democrats. He couldn't give two shits about Franken and the moral dilemma that confronts the party. He's ONLY trying to weaken the Democratic Party. It's also an old Russia tactic, but I'm sure Newt thought of this himself. He's a sleeze-bag who competes with Roger Stone as a master of provocation.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
40. Our Democratic Party "leaders" painted
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:25 PM
Dec 2017

us into this corner. We are now as a whole being characterized as reactionary -- all Democrats.

Good job Gillibrand, Perez, Schumer. You can't even call for Trump's resignation now. You've already shown the American people and the world your disregard (they'll say disdain) for due process. Great thinking!

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