BTW, haven't you consistently made the (correct) claim that DU is not representative of the public at large? It's a moment of pique, dude. Settle down.

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...time to move on.

Thanks for the advice, though.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

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When they stop, I’ll be happy to move along with everyone else.

That's a Republican ploy.

There's a word for your post calling for people to move on, it's "Hypocritical".

I justify my infidelities by pointing to the infidelities of others as well. It's just easier to use the "they do it too" excuse (though it does seem a tad petulant after one reaches the age of seven or eight) to rationalize our own actions.

Let's hope we neither of us see a group of people jumping off a bridge...

be Anti-Franken...I have however seen PLENTY of people being anti Democrat which is really cause for concern.

alert the Admin. I could name about 5-7 who have specifically gone after Franken on DU, but that would get me alerted, so I'm not falling for that.

supporting anyone who participated in the 'lynch mob'. I haven't seen any anti Franken posts...what the hell are they saying that's anti Franken (I'm curious).

I don't alert on people, well I guess I would if it was an obvious troll but if I alerted on everyone speaking ill of the 'Gillibrand posse' that's all I would be doing is alerting. I'm shocked to see so many break the TOS as I know people who have been banned from this site for far far less.

by figuratively burning yet another witch.

Some may claim various labels and allegiances over time, but always believe people when they show you what they are. And what they want to do to others is a huge clue.

machine to take out a sitting senator...and in do this endangered progressive policy in my opinion. It show a lack of judgement. I won't vote for any of them in a primary. I want a president who will fight the GOP not cave. Also, it looks like a political move and that makes me sick. You don't destroy a great senator for political reasons. There will be no reward for us for this idiocy...none.

Many will deny it, but I see the in-Senate move to force Franken to resign as a pragmatic gesture that had nothing to do with him and everything to do with political expediency. Very Republican of them, actually.

I see it as as an unforgivably gross miscalculation with--as you pointed out--no reward for us.

Make no mistake, I will support our nominees for Congress and he presidency pretty much no matter who they are (I'm assuming a Trump would not survive a Democratic primary). However, in the primaries, my moral and financial support will go to "none of the above" as far as the gang of Al Franken's tormentors goes.

that being said, I will vote for the Democratic nominee...no one could be worse than any Republican. And seriously, our lives depend on getting the right out.

new Dem standard-bearer is a bit much. a lot of people need to get real about this thing.

Life is wiggly.

in the GE there are going to be a lot more people voting than just DUers. if there is any truth to the allegations, his competition could work the issue non-stop during the campaign, and it could be very damaging.

He is my first choice.

Martin O'Malley is heading to Charleston to stump for two South Carolina Democrats. He will be in Charleston on December 16 to speak at a rally, knock on doors and headline a happy hour event at Charleston's Bay Street Biergarten. He's backing Joe Cunningham, who is running for Rep. Mark Sanford's seat, and Cindy Boatwright, a state House candidate.
#MartinOMalley #Democrats2018 #OMalley2020

I like Harris a lot, also Amy Klobuchar...

If you are going to post something asking a question, try to get the facts correct.

So ironically you answered your own question in your false facts....Amy Klobuchar is an example of a great Democratic Party Presidential candidate who is Pro-Franken...

It is really dishonest to try to position what Klobuchar has on her Facebook page and position it as a call for him to resign.

In interviews she has been very clear on this and did not stand next to Gillibrand and the other backstabbing colleagues who do not believe in due process. She basically backed whatever Franken decided to do. And he did not resign yet.

The search continues. lol

See her saying that on CNN here: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/amy-klobuchar-senate-al-franken-minnesota/index.html

See how easy that was?

I’m not interested in debating extremist zealot talking points. He remains the best candidate the Democrats have.

We spent the entire 2016 primary season doing that and look where we are now

We've been through this. Please quit repeating it. He denied everything except the Tweeden photo.

You're getting a lot of mileage out of "nobody supported him."

It's my recollection that the time between the presentation of the plank and the glorious moment of plank walking was about 24 hours.

I think that has some bearing on your much-belabored point.

Just sayin'.

would ever vote for a Republican...hell I would vote for any of those who backstabbed Franken in an election...but not a primary.

are the ones who have to answer for the hasty dispatch of Franken.

I’m hoping he’ll run in 2020. He’d get my vote.

see: https://www.50statesofblue.com/2017/12/manchin-franken-resignation-disagree-west-virginia/

There is a lot of disgust with the present leadership in Washington. On the GOP side, this lead to the abomination of Trump. On the Dem side, it will lead to a new face who has not been tainted by the controversies of all the current leaders. The closest person who fits this discription that I know of is Pete Buttigieg. Although he is known to political junkies, most people never heard of him. And the next person might not even be well known to political junkies.

pre-date Franken so I won't vote for her in the primary. I don't think she'll win the primary, too divisive.

Three years is an eternity in politics. And if if anyone on "our side" decides to put a three-year grudge ahead of defeating Trump (or his successor), people need to start questioning whether they were ever on the right side of history after all.

of things past will be exhumed.

Any one who didn't pile on.

Biden is old. Kennedy is young.

Biden runs, pledges one term. Kennedy VP.

In four years Kennedy would not be too young, and would have appropriate experience.

Then Kennedy is president for 8 years.

Biden? a) Trump is old too, so age not so much a factor b) Biden is Trump's kryptonite.

First and foremost we must defeat Trump. This ticket is as much of a sure thing as there is.

As an added bonus, we have the prospect of 12 years of progressive leadership instead of playing catch up to the Rs

good at it.

8 years is unthinkable.

Biden/kennedy would win.

It would also be progressive.

Of course, in this scenario a woman c ould still challenge on 2024.

Hindsight is 20/20 but Biden would be in the White House if he ran in 16

In any scenario. One already beat Trump so they have the best track record against him. Especially since Comey was fired and we’ve got our eye on Russian interference next time around.

I would hope that we would have another result than this kind of victory. If we choose a woman simply because we want a woman candidate, we are setting ourselves up for defeat. We need to concentrate on who can win, not base everything on one's sex or anything else.

I voted for her, don't get me wrong. And it would have been a wonderful thing if she had defeated Trump. Similarly, it is tragic that Trump is in the White House.

In 2020, it is not enough to nominate a woman (or a man). We should not base our nomination on the sex of the candidate. But on whether he/she can defeat Trump....that is first and foremost. It would also be nice if the candidate is progressive.

With Biden/Kennedy you get both.

I believe Kennedy is a breath of fresh air. Even if he is a male.

If we shouldn't base our nomination on the sex of the candidate then quit advocating that no woman run until 2024.

Simple.

I simply said Biden/Kennedy would be a great ticket. That we need first to defeat Trump in 2020.

I don't think this idea should be discarded simply because they are male.

If you have a better ticket, then wouldn't it be more polite to let us know who you think would be better?

Harris. Klobuchar. Gillibrand. Booker. O'Malley. Kennedy.

Personally I'm fond of any combination of the above. But running a woman on our ticket should be something that we seriously consider. I don't think any ticket will win without a woman in 2020. It's way past time to change the landscape.

I think that we need to run someone younger.

If he gets a youthful VP, as in Kennedy, that puts some new ideas and change into the ticket.

Meanwhile it is good for Kennedy who is only 36 now, too young probably, but with VP experience, he would be viable for 2024

This is predicated on Biden doing a 1 term pledge.

It is out of the box...but it has some strong points to it.

Biden would be Trump's kryptonite

win...still much sexism out there as we saw in 16. I want to win period.

It's even prevalent here on DU. But I still would like to see a woman on the ticket.

damn candidates ever...and I while I want to see a woman president, I cant' think of one now that could help with the rust belt. Maybe Tammy Baldwin, but she is also Gay..I would like to see that happen too...but is now the right time?

3 years is a very long time politically. We need to focus on the 2018 Congressional races first!

At some point, something has to give.

the progressive movement is really over. We could lose our Republic. Obama has warned about this. Is this the right time?

I am not saying we can't do that, but what if the some won't vote for a woman? I suspect that hurt Hillary.

With that attitude we might as well just all stay at the back of the bus.

By the way, Hillary won. The problem isn't having a woman candidate. The problem is RUSSIA, the corrupt GOP and our compromised voting machines.

I agree she won.

Her not being in the white house has nothing to do with her being a woman. A woman won by millions of votes. A woman can win again.

End of.

But going forward....

Russia must be penalized for their interference and our intelligence community cannot fail us again. The GOP needs to be purged of traitors. We need a return to hand counted ballots.

This will make sure that the woman who wins will take her seat in the White House.

Count me in!

He represents hope for the future, IMO.

I like a Klobuchar/Murphy ticket. She makes a great case for midwest candidacy and Murphy is smart, liberal and a "grace note" ASAIC.

...the argument being made is that anyone who joined in the call for Franken to step down will never be supported by the base (certainly not those here). That eliminates all three.

And we know why those Dems did it...the idea that "if we run against Trump we can't risk having our major argument thrown back in our faces." I will look to Al in the future couple of years and see what he wants to do. My guess is that he will come out alright with those who said he should resign. You just know they signed that letter with heavy hearts.

But let's all heal and focus on what needs to be done to prepare for the next Presidential election. Eyes on the prize...

But, god, politics can be sickening...

wise to risk the seat. Now, I will vote for any Democrat in a general...but I won't vote for those involved in the Franken mess in a primary. I want a Democrat with good judgement who won't back down and doesn't give a rats ass what the GOP throws in his/her face because whoever the nominee is ...that will happen.

because now we know the gangsters we are dealing with. We will be kneecapped and sucker punched if we give them one inch. These people are mobsters. We should treat them accordingly.

shot.

"Size does not matter!"

Franken for Potus 2020

Unsullied by party politics, the most intelligent senator, handsome, effective, and funny as hell!

Several posters on DU have been asking about Schiff, whether he has any intentions of running in 2020. I don't know the answer, but he has shown leadership, a cool mind, and savvy street cred in the last 10 months.

That said, I'll ALWAYS support a run by Al Franken, should he ever decide to throw his hat in.
I'm kind of burned out on Elizabeth Warren, but I think she did great campaigning for Hillary.
So much is happening right now, it's hard to pick a favorite candidate this early.

<- cheering for Al Franken

A House member in a safe seat with no experience running Statewide may not be the best choice for a national campaign.

We don't need a 2020 "Franken Frat" using the 2016 "Bernie Bro" model. Whoever gets the nomination, we need to drop any disappointment and vote "D".

Otherwise, it'll be Trump or Pence, whoever the "R's" select.

Let's do better this time.

Edit to add: In the primary, I'm leaning toward Franken. But, in the 2016 primary, I voted for Bernie.

Right now there are only three new Franken posts...perhaps the fever has broken.