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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:31 PM Dec 2017

Why Democrats win even if they lose in Alabama


Why Democrats win even if they lose in Alabama

The party will either pick up a seat in the Deep South — or have Roy Moore to campaign against in the midterms.

By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE
12/10/2017 06:51 AM EST


Democrats head into Tuesday’s Senate election in Alabama confident that they'll come out on top no matter who wins.

And many Republicans agree with them.

If Doug Jones prevails, Democrats expect it will further excite their base, bolster candidate recruitment and fuel fundraising heading into 2018, coming off their near-sweep of last month's elections. They will revel in picking up a Senate seat in the Deep South, especially in a state so central to President Donald Trump’s political rise and where he earlier backed the loser of the GOP primary. Practically, Republicans would have a 51-49 Senate majority, leaving them with a single vote to spare assuming Democrats stick together.

But the alternative won't make for bad politics, either, Democrats say.

If Roy Moore wins, they'll spend the next year yoking every Republican they can to the accused child predator and a president who welcomed him into the GOP fold. They'll be quick to remind everyone of all the other comments Moore has made against Muslims and gays and in favor of Vladimir Putin’s view of America as evil, as well as his rosy view of slave-era America.

“He’ll be the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats. If you’re running in 2018, Roy Moore’s going to be your new best friend. As a Republican, to think that you can win without the baggage of Roy Moore is pretty naive,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/10/democrats-alabama-roy-moore-doug-jones-288631
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FarPoint

(12,409 posts)
1. I really don't see any gifts from Moore yet...
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:36 PM
Dec 2017

Looking like added compost for us ...GOP power grabbing remains ahead.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
3. Because that's worked so well with all the other Republicans who've been accused of horrors.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:39 PM
Dec 2017

I want to live in this universe where Republican hypocrisy hurts the Republican Party, but I don't. I live here.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
6. It worked out pretty well
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:52 PM
Dec 2017

in Virginia. Northam and the down-ballot did very well in the suburbs.
If we can continue to win suburbs and college educated whites we'll do very well in 2018.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. I'm not saying Democrats can't win elections.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:04 PM
Dec 2017

But Republican hypocrisy has been so rampant for the last several decades that "Republican" is synonymous with "hypocrite." And yet they have about as much power right now as any party has ever had.

Democrats can win but it won't be because of Republican hypocrisy.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
17. Point taken
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:57 PM
Dec 2017

but they're now hitching the wagon to a pedophile. We've started to win just because of Trump himself. This is a massive albatross and it's exactly why the scumbags that make up the WSJ editorial board is asking Trump to disavow Moore. Even they figured out that backing a pedophile isn't a good idea.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
5. And it will be the smallest margin in anyone's memory. Enough to scare the crap out of LA.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:46 PM
Dec 2017

This will be a win even if we lose: The bigots and zealots will know their dynasty of hatred is eroding right underneath them.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,627 posts)
8. I completely agree with this!
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:04 PM
Dec 2017

Plus, the R's KNOW they're in trouble, either way the election goes.

Either they face the dreadful prospect of a DEMOCRAT in their Senate, lol!

Or they know we will yoke every R candidate to Moore heading up to the Midterms!

It's a win-win for us Democrats.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
10. Multi-dimensional chess and judo just give me a headache.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:06 PM
Dec 2017

And meanwhile, the Supreme Court gets stacked with morans.

A Dem victory would seem simpler, more direct.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
13. IIRC a few years ago
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:53 PM
Dec 2017

The Alabama Democratic Party could barely afford rent and utilities at Headquarters.

The fact that they're close to picking up a federal senate seat is amazing. If nothing else, it allows them to start to rebuild and become a viable party again (and keep current with rent/utilities).

dawg

(10,624 posts)
14. I'm sick of winning even though I lost.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:59 PM
Dec 2017

Seems like that's all I get these days.

Things go against me, and I try to figure out some reason why I'm better off that way.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
15. Actually, a Jones win would be a bit complicated.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:34 PM
Dec 2017

Once in, he's going to want to stay in. Which means on some issues, he's not going to vote "D" to appease voters at home. And when a critical piece of legislation comes up and if there isn't a significant Democratic majority, we may not be able to count on him.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
16. No but Dems can set the agenda if they control the Senate
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:38 PM
Dec 2017

We'll have control of the committee's .

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