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Here is the full list of those that have called for Franken to resign:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175
Remember these names.
Also remember these names. The ones that didn't call for Al Franken to resign.
Democratic senators who had not yet called on Franken to resign:
Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut,
Ben Cardin of Maryland,
Chris Coons of Delaware,
Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada,
Tim Kaine of Virginia,
Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota,
Joe Manchin of West Virginia,
Bob Menendez of New Jersey,
Brian Schatz of Hawaii,
Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire,
Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and
Mark Warner of Virginia.
Coons, Shaheen and Schatz couldn't comment due to the pending investigation before the Ethics Committee. This article was written on 12/6 so if there are any on the "didn't call for resignation" list that ultimately asked him to resign please update
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I was looking for something like this.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)go name by name from the article until I looked to the end. It wasn't something I'd seen on TV. I hadn't seen CNN interviewing Tim Kaine or Mark Warner or Catherine Cortez Masto about why they didn't ask Franken to resign. I think I might had seen Amy Klobuchar asked something about Al Franken's accusations but not sure and not sure what she said.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)So presumably he understand that accusations doesn't mean it actually happened.
http://fox61.com/2017/11/17/blumenthals-office-investigating-twitter-bot-claiming-sexual-assault/
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mcar
(42,334 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)when you didn't think you did anything wrong but someone (or a few someones) is accusing you of something and you try to apologize even if you don't think you did anything and everyone wants to run you off as some kind of pervert, you want to remember who had your back, who wasn't accusing you and who folded like a cheap suit.
Squinch
(50,954 posts)This has gotten ridiculous.
And your explanation is nonsensical.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)you could support a primary challenger in another state. You could send money or phone bank.
This isn't just about Franken. This is about due process and supporting Democrats. This is about giving people the benefit of a doubt.
I've heard people say Franken admitted to wrongdoing - he did not.
He apologized if he offended anyone . That's not the same as admitting to wrongdoing.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Now? With all the crap the Rs are doing?
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)but if someone wants to, I might support them.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I go from to to in seconds.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)irrational hostility of conservatives. Oh, well. At least, unlike the dangerous right, they're just a little fringe. If only they didn't collect here to attack whatever stray Democratic wrist or ankle comes within reach in the guise of concern.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Skittles
(153,164 posts)THEY NEED TO GET THE MESSAGE IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANYMORE
WoonTars
(694 posts)You really want to be part of a party that theirs you to the lions at the first hint of trouble???
With freinds like that...
This was fucking stupid all the way around and it has cost us any shot at a majority in 2018, and most likely 2020 as well....we have more Senate seats up for grabs next year and it was always going to be tough to hold them, now thanks to Gillibrand and her Presidential ambitions, we have no chance...
Fucking brilliant....
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)Warren is the only one up in 2018. You are calling her out for a primary challenge? WTF!
mcar
(42,334 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)My vote is for Warren. She is my Senator and I may not always agree, yet she is a good one.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)If their only offense is throwing Franken under the bus. But there are a few - Kirsten Gillibrand and Clair Claire McCaskill.
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)That is the point of my OP. It was a call to primary them all.
mythology
(9,527 posts)And yes it actually is admitting to wrongdoing. You can say it was unintentional wrongdoing, but that doesn't actually negate the underlying problem, especially given that it is part of a pattern.
"I'm someone who, you know, hugs people," Franken said. "I've learned from these stories that in some of these encounters I have crossed the line for some women."
Another quote:
"I am ashamed of that photo," Franken said. "You know she didn't have any ability to consent. She had every right to feel violated by that photo."
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I really shouldn't be surprised at someone actually calling on primarying Democrats, but sadly, I am. Why not just vote Republican and get it over with? Change parties while you're at it. The purity has gotten ridiculous and it will destroy the chance we have of seizing control of at least the Senate.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)This is out of control.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Some people are seeing that we have a good chance of seizing control of the Senate and are scared to death that GOOD DEMOCRATS will win. Unbelievable.
Squinch
(50,954 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Because they are not leaders (good to know, if any of them run for President);
Because they possibly fell for a Republican orchestrated take down of a strong Senator who made headway in the Russian investigation;
Because they don't have good judgment;
Because they put themselves above the needs of their party and the country.
This was a baaaaad decision, so it speaks volumes about those who made it, or who jumped on the bandwagon to go along to get along. I also personally believe it was based in part on jealousy, and to get Franken out of the way, since one or more of them plan to run for President, and Franken was sucking up all the limelight (he's very popular..and there have been calls for him to run for President, which he has stated he had no intention of doing so).
There is not a true leader among them.
Can you imagine Obama jumping on that bandwagon? Not in a million years. He would have given a speech about the seriousness of it all, women deserve to heard, but that there's an ethics investigation process, and in our country, our Senator have a right for these charges to be reviewed, and to at least hear Senator Franken out.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)if a senator falls for faux news, alt right trap, there is no chance in the world he/she will survive runnning against their propaganda machine in 2020 which will be much bigger by then. This was a great test to unmask poltiicians who we thought were trustworthy and had our backs. I am mostly dissapointed in my senator Kamala, she would have to do something major for me to regain respect.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)when Gillibrand says something like, "People are saying but Franken isn't accused of this or that, he's being accused of something less serious. I think that is not the discussion we should be having, differentiating between the kinds of accusations."
But that's EXACTLY the sort of discussion we should be having. When someone says Franken putting his hand on her waist & grabbing some flesh lends credibility to the other claims, and is groping...we definitely need to be having a discussion on what IS groping, sexual harassment, and abuse of power. That is far different from Matt Lauer locking his door and telling someone he has power over to give him a blow job. Or Roy Moore taking the clothes off a 14 year old and fondling her.
There IS a difference.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)My God, they are acting like he whipped out his dick, or paraded around in the office with an open bathrobe, or threatened to fire an underling for not sleeping with him.
These were supposedly fans, who requested a photo because they liked him, why else ask for a photo? He thought he was with friends, he likes to hug. They are crucifying him for being too friendly.
Its treating women like we are helpless infants who cant slap away a hand, or say knock it off.
Supposed to believe a hand on your butt is so traumatic that 14 years later you take down a public servant? This is insane.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)along with Bernie Sanders. Its not a list of backstabbers to me, its a list of people who know more about the situation than I do. I'm still voting a straight D ticket in 2018.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Just think about what they did and why they did it.
Reflect.
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)Straight D ticket... and beyond.
Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)sorry. I hate the whole Franken situation and I agree he got railroaded, but I'm not going to desert the party yet. Not with all the evils perpetrated by the Repubs.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)MikeydaDog
(140 posts)Read the link. You have it backwards, MikeydaDawg.
MikeydaDog
(140 posts)staying silent as those that asked Franken to step down. Where is the courage in silence? Why should they be rewarded? I say, totally destroy the Democratic Party, start anew.
WTH. So what Trump and The Republicans party are destroying this nation, affecting the world.
Franken. Am I right?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)NBachers
(17,117 posts)bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)hcr?
oasis
(49,388 posts)Her presidential hopes have slid down the tubes.
Good. Really bad judgement.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)oasis
(49,388 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)You seem to be trying to help him.
Eko
(7,315 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)We will be impossible to stop with 12 Democrats in the US Senate.
I'm not going to fool with the sarcasm dripper.........
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)TWITTER: Sexual harassment is unacceptable. This morning I spoke with Senator Franken and, as you know, he will be making an announcement about his future tomorrow morning. I am confident he will make the right decision.
FACEBOOK: Today Senator Franken acknowledged that he could no longer serve in the Senate and resigned. As he and I discussed yesterday, this is the right decision. Senator Franken has worked for years on behalf of the people of Minnesota and he has been a leader on issues that are fundamental to Americans lives, including education, privacy, healthcare and mental health. He has been a friend to me and to many in our state.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)At what point do we start identifying anti-Democratic posters as Pro-Trump?
Klobuchar DID NOT join Franken's lynch mob.
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)brooklynite
(94,587 posts)I assert, based on her own statements, that she called on Franken to step down at the same time Gillibrand et al did. (nb: I agreed with her). If you dispute that point, explain what her messages referred to.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)She condemned sexual harassment. She talked to Franken and found that he was going to make an announcement.
No where does it say that she was calling for him to resign. That's a product of your desire to continue your attacks against Democrats.
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)...and I'll continue to support her financially.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)It's clear that your fondest desire in the past few days was to attack Franken. Now you are trying to attack Klobuchar.
Why do you hate and attack my senators? Why do you not condemn Trump and Moore with equal abandon?
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)Step 2: go to the FEC website (www.fec.gov) and look up my contributions for BOTH Klobuchar and Franken.
I personally thought Franken could weather the storm until the last accusation, and I concurred with the decision by the Senate women to ask him to stand down on the grounds that his effectiveness going forward would be damaged.
I supported Klobuchar's decision to ask him to step down (privately or otherwise); the only reason I brought her up is the suggestion by the OP that she and a handful of other are in a special (supposedly "pro-Franken" category.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)So you supported her until you didn't, but still agree with her...
I'm growing very weary of your continued attacks against my elected representatives - why don't you start attacking Ellison and go for the trifecta?
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)brooklynite
(94,587 posts)WASHINGTON U.S. Senator Ben Cardin (D-Md.), released the following statement in response to Senator Al Frankens announcement that he would resign in the coming weeks.
Senator Franken has done what Americans expect from their public servants he put his constituents, the people he was elected to serve, first. I took the allegations against Senator Franken very seriously. As he said, all women deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously. The women of this country deserve to be heard not only those who garner spotlights and headlines, but all women. All women deserve respect. I hope that other men who have acted inappropriately against women, some in elected office and others hoping to be there some day, will take heed of Senator Frankens actions and also take responsibility for their own transgressions.
https://www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-statement-on-senator-frankens-resignation
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)"Sexual harassment in any context is unacceptable. I'm disappointed & disgusted with the allegations concerning @SenFranken, and he should be held accountable."
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/06/568832606/franken-under-pressure-as-group-democratic-senators-call-for-him-to-resign
brooklynite
(94,587 posts)Kaine on Franken: Its a very sad day, but the behavior was inappropriate
After Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) announced on Dec. 7 that he will resign amid allegations of sexual harassment, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) said that its a very sad day, but the behavior was inappropriate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/kaine-on-franken-its-a-very-sad-day-but-the-behavior-was-inappropriate/2017/12/07/202ed462-dba1-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_video.html?utm_term=.826f112b62d9
JHan
(10,173 posts)ColoradoBlue
(104 posts)Called for Franken's resignation. I like my senator and he's doing good work. No way am I doing anything to undermine him. WTF?