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brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:53 AM Dec 2017

Who here has withheld judgement on Roy Moore pending an ethics investigation?

The answer is: nobody.

Everybody here has decided that he's guilty of the accusations against him, even though he's denied all of them. You've decided this based on the caliber of the accusers and the reporting by the news media (which brought forth the attempted hoax by PROJECT VERITAS).

So understand why, in the case of Al Franken, members of the Senate and some people here have made a similar determination, without the benefit of a formal ethics hearing. If you want to insist that Democrats are being too puritanical, or shouldn't give up a seat if the Republicans won't, fine. But don't try for a holier than thou analysis of those who see things differently.

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Who here has withheld judgement on Roy Moore pending an ethics investigation? (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2017 OP
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #1
Everybody is highly suspicious of him, MoonRiver Dec 2017 #2
There's This Thing Called Track Record ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #3
Well and succinctly put. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #12
Totally agree gratuitous Dec 2017 #13
Not true. LisaL Dec 2017 #4
He is a candidate...and Republicans women have come forward...he is also accused of pedphilia ...way Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #5
You're quite invested in defending the decision to gang up on Franken... TCJ70 Dec 2017 #6
The accusations are different. Some of us don't think the ecstatic Dec 2017 #7
There are many relevant differences dsc Dec 2017 #8
Did I miss Corgigal Dec 2017 #9
All or nothing is not an effective argument. jalan48 Dec 2017 #10
Yes, because placing your hand on a waist eissa Dec 2017 #11

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
2. Everybody is highly suspicious of him,
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:12 AM
Dec 2017

but, as far as I know, Dem and Repub Senators are asking for an ETHICS COMMITTEE investigation, should he win the election. Interesting that Dems are ready to give this probable pedophile due process, but not one of the most beloved Senators in Congress, with much sketchier evidence.

ProfessorGAC

(65,064 posts)
3. There's This Thing Called Track Record
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:13 AM
Dec 2017

See, the track record also includes getting kicked of the state Supreme Court TWICE! It includes wasting tax payer dollars on a crusade to put religious monuments in a publicly owned building. It includes preposterous statements about the Constitution, about race, about religion and his conspiracy theory du jour.

The allegations are a compounding factor of an already slimy character.

Apples and oranges.

But you knew that.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
5. He is a candidate...and Republicans women have come forward...he is also accused of pedphilia ...way
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:16 AM
Dec 2017

different than Franken. There is more evidence...and clearly there will never be justice for those women...to many years have passed...in this case the voters will decide.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
6. You're quite invested in defending the decision to gang up on Franken...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 10:19 AM
Dec 2017

The Roy Moore accusations have way more credibility to them than the Franken stuff. Multiple (double digit) corroborations, contemporaneous yearbook signings, accounts from police, mall bannings, community member statements. These are the things that matter when considering a personal judgement call on matters like this.

Find me similarly vetted Franken situations and we can talk. Until then, Franken was run out of office on the thinnest garbage, some of it requiring human anatomy on the Gumby scale to pull off, I've ever seen. Maybe you can have one of those dinners you're so fond of flaunting with the party big wigs and come up with something.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
7. The accusations are different. Some of us don't think the
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:40 AM
Dec 2017

things Franken has been accused of, even if true from the accuser's perspective, rise to the level of requiring resignation. The public photograph "incidents" can be explained by height differences or genuine mistakes, IMO.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
8. There are many relevant differences
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:41 AM
Dec 2017

All of Moore's accusers have gone public. Both the 14 year old and the 16 year old he attempted to rape have coobrative evidence. In the 14 year old's case we have the fact they both were at the court house, the fact she knew where he lived, the fact her mother back up the fact he was asked to watch her. In the 16 year old's case we have the year book. He also has told numerous lies in his denials. He lied about a county being dry, he lied about a restraunt not existing, he first said he did know, then said he didn't know any of the accusers.

In comparison, Franken's accusers have been anonymous or at least unvetted. His first accuser used her own website to publicize the claim, turns out she was manhandling people herself, and we still don't know when the photo was taken. The second accuser was a GOP person, provided no photo to prove what he had done though she did have a Facebook post. Then we had two anonymous accusers who were vetted by the Huffington post but we don't know just how much of the story they checked out, nor was any supporting evidence mentioned. Franken hasn't been caught in any lies. His last named accuser was apparently to fragile to leave her house since her problem was that he touched her waist.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
9. Did I miss
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:47 AM
Dec 2017

the part about Roger Stone saying tomorrow is Roy Moore's turn in the barrel? Did the teenagers have twitter contact with Don jr?

No, then sorry, my critical political thinking remains.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
11. Yes, because placing your hand on a waist
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:58 AM
Dec 2017

Is just like sexually molesting teen girls The accusations against Franken were flimsy, at best, to outright unbelievable (“it’s my right as an entertainer”? Oh, please.) Definitely not in the same category as Moore’s accusers, and this false equivalency is making a mockery out of the #MeToo movement.

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